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JHDK said:
As much as soccer is a dumb waste of time and any American who likes it should be isolated in internment camps in Arizona, they have been doing some fun things with the cutouts.

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Osama bin Laden spotted in Leeds' cardboard cut-out crowd at Elland Road

Leeds have removed an image of former al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden from their cardboard cut-out crowd ahead of football’s return to Elland Road. Clubs up and down the country are encouragi…
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Currently in Orlando is home of the real sport that is playing right now soccer. As usual they lead the country in COVID-19 numbers. I believe Bugs is doing us a favor.

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So 50+ people in a church is wrong in Nevada:

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SCOTUS Denies Nevada Church's Challenge To Coronavirus Restrictions

Calvary Chapel Dayton Valley argued that the hard cap on religious gatherings was an unconstitutional violation of its parishioners' First Amendment rights.
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But this is just fine in Oregon:



If rights are being stripped, maybe we also need laws that cap the number of people allowed to protest together during a pandemic.
 
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50 people in an enclosed space. The churches have been making easy untaxed money for generations, they'll survive. And us portlanders don't go to church so that story does nothing for us.
 
JHDK said:
Yay! One of the 4 major sports is back! I'm watching Dodgers/Giants and excited about it. I rarely get excited about MLB unless I'm at a game or the Phillies are in the postseason.

The cardboard cutouts of fans that ESPN is using are dumb. And I have a feeling the fake CGI "virtual fans" FOX is going to use will be even dumber. I'd rather see an empty stadium. But whatever, I'm just happy to watch a real sport again.
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The Brewers were charging $50 for a personal cutout.
 
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JHDK said:
So 50+ people in a church is wrong in Nevada:

www.huffpost.com

SCOTUS Denies Nevada Church's Challenge To Coronavirus Restrictions

Calvary Chapel Dayton Valley argued that the hard cap on religious gatherings was an unconstitutional violation of its parishioners' First Amendment rights.
www.huffpost.com www.huffpost.com

But this is just fine in Oregon:



If rights are being stripped, maybe we also need laws that cap the number of people allowed to protest together during a pandemic.
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You are conflating rules of business (state regulated) with a 1st amendment right to assemble and protest. On internet forums, people are always saying that this or that violates their 1st amendment rights, when those rights don't apply, because they are participating on a closed forum guided by business rules. The perfect example would be the ESPN guys who got fired for making off-color remarks. The 1st amendment gives them the right to speak freely (as long as it doesn't threaten or impinge on the rights of others), but ESPN is a business, so they can set their own rules about what they deem is a bad representation of the network.
 
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You are conflating rules of business (state regulated) with a 1st amendment right to assemble and protest. On internet forums, people are always saying that this or that violates their 1st amendment rights, when those rights don't apply, because they are participating on a closed forum guided by business rules. The perfect example would be the ESPN guys who got fired for making off-color remarks. The 1st amendment gives them the right to speak freely (as long as it doesn't threaten or impinge on the rights of others), but ESPN is a business, so they can set their own rules about what they deem is a bad representation of the network.
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But a week ago you made a point to tell me that you were in favor of more COVID related regulations in order to keep people safe. I guess you changed your mind.

I do agree with your 1st amendment point though. However there are some areas where that logic can be questioned, such as with Twitter. Twitter is so big these days that it can literally topple governments (Arab Spring) so the argument can be made that it is no longer just a fun service and has now become a utility. Much like how many states have laws where companies can't turn off heat to homes during the winter even if the bill isn't paid, I feel that Twitter should not ban people unless they libel or physically threaten violence.
 
JHDK said:
But a week ago you made a point to tell me that you were in favor of more COVID related regulations in order to keep people safe. I guess you changed your mind.
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Where did I change my mind? In both cases, I agreed that states have the right to enforce regulations (such as wearing masks, and limiting people in an enclosed business). So where did I express a different opinion?
 
I was saying that the regulations you mentioned above were new and you were in favor of them for public safety reasons, so logic dictates you would also be in favor of other new regulations capping the number of protesters at any given place, also for public safety reasons.
 
JHDK said:
I was saying that the regulations you mentioned above were new and you were in favor of them for public safety reasons, so logic dictates you would also be in favor of other new regulations capping the number of protesters at any given place, also for public safety reasons.
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I guess it wasn't clear; you can't limit assembly and protest, it's not a business, it's a 1st amendment right we have. While I wouldn't personally join a packed crowd of protesters, it's outside, they're mostly wearing masks, and it can't be regulated. But you can certainly put restrictions on how many people are allowed to gather inside a building that's run by a business.
 
The first amendment also states that there shouldn't be any laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion, which as we know it today, takes place in houses of worship. That's a right we have too. If I'm #51 to show up for a service, I'm essentially now being prohibited from exercising my right.

So once again, if we are stripping rights go all in or do nothing at all. I prefer the latter.
 
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