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[sadchild]

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BEST I RECOGNIZE
24 29 Kardinal Offishall ft. Akon - Dangerous

WORST I RECOGNIZE
21 26 Lil Wayne - A Milli
06 01 Coldplay - Viva La Vida
02 03 Lil Wayne ft. Static Major - Lollipop
01 02 Katy Perry - I Kissed a Girl

What a shit time for music. Puke. I recognize another half dozen song titles but don't remember how they go. Pretty sure I hate those ones too.

21 26 Lil Wayne - A Milli

One of the worst songs I've ever heard. EVER. Wish I could find the review I wrote for it back in the day.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

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[Channel98]

Mister sadchild, on December 22 2020 on the Most Hated Songs thread, you wrote this about A Milli: "There's a lot of 2K garbage rap, but this one takes the cake." I agree with you – but not everybody does:

A Milli by Lil Wayne - RYM/Sonemic

A Milli, a Single by Lil Wayne. Released 23 April 2008 on Cash Money (catalog no. n/a; Lossless Digital). Genres: Southern Hip Hop, Hardcore Hip Hop. Featured peformers: Mr. Bangladesh (producer), Ali Shaheed Muhammad (composer, lyricist), Lil Wayne (composer, lyricist), Q-Tip (composer...

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[scotchandcigar]

WORST I RECOGNIZE
06 01 Coldplay - Viva La Vida

That's my 1.

 

[sadchild]

For me, Coldplay is to Adult Contemporary as Nickelback is to Hard Rock.

 

[sadchild]

but not everybody does

Whoa, that review from "TooBrokeToCare" makes me think this planet isn't big enough for the both of us.

 

[scotchandcigar]

For me, Coldplay is to Adult Contemporary as Nickelback is to Hard Rock.

From Scotch Sampler, this was my list of Coldplay songs that I like.

Shiver
Yellow
Trouble
In My Place
The Scientist
God Put a Smile upon Your Face
Clocks
Moses
Fix You
Talk
Speed of Sound
The Hardest Part

There's some good songs in their post-2010 work, but nothing notable enough to mention. And of course, they're one of those bands that broke-up, and then just quietly had a conscious re-coupling.

As for the merits of Coldplay, I mentioned that they're somewhat derivative of U2, but I think they have enough talent and have made their own niche to justify their existence. They're one of those bands that - taken as a whole - have so much gentle, syrupy pablum in their catalog that they've deservedly earned a reputation for being loved by those who don't like real music. It's a similar situation to Dave Matthews Band. But both of them have some good stuff (DMB has much more IMO), so I can like them without being a fanboy.

I can make a list of sappy, syrupy, corny and poppy bands/songs that you (or others here) like, but we can just chalk it up to personal taste and/or life experience.

 

[Aaron]

That's my 1.

Same.

 

[HecticArt]

Bupkis.

 

[sadchild]

personal taste and/or life experience.

My wife likes Coldplay. Sometimes I come home and she's playing her Pandora station and I have to suffer through Imagine Dragons, Coldplay, etc. But she has to suffer through the obscure stuff I like (Bill Fox, Billy Goat, Totaro...)

Here they are at the beginning of my personal 'worst songs of all time' list, of which I'm sure many people disagree with me on most of them:

69 Boyz "Tootsie Roll"
B52s "Rock Lobster"
Bob Dylan "Rainy Day Women #12 & 35"
Bryan Adams "Please Forgive Me"
Captain And Tennille "Muskrat Love"
Coldplay "Yellow"
Doors "LA Woman"
Doors "Light My Fire"
Doors "Hello I Love You"
Doors "Alabama Song"
Doors "Roadhouse Blues"

While we're on the subject, this always makes me chuckle:

The Coldplay lads once tried contacting David Bowie to see if he would consider collaborating with them on one of their songs in which they had a “David Bowie-type character”. Singer Chris Martin sent him a letter asking him to be involved and, according to drummer Will Champion, Bowie replied, “It’s not a very good song, is it?”

 

[HecticArt]

Freakin Bowie for the win!

 

[scotchandcigar]

worst songs of all time list, of which I'm sure many people disagree with me on most of them:

B52s "Rock Lobster"
Coldplay "Yellow"
Doors "LA Woman"
Doors "Light My Fire"
Doors "Roadhouse Blues"

Yes. I'll never understand how you categorize great hit songs that happen to annoy you as "the worst songs of all time". I think Hall & Oates' "Kiss On My List" is one of the lamest and stupidest hit songs of all time, but I would never put it on a "worst songs" list, because there are a million truly bad songs by bad artists that have appeared on the Billboard charts since I can remember. I recognize that H&O is one of the most successful pop bands of all time, and they have a formula for making hit songs that appeals to masses of people who happen to prefer much more poppy music than me. And I do like several of their hits.

And the same goes for Mumford & Sons. In fact, while I can make it through "Kiss On My List", I must change the channel whenever that incessant choppy guitar strumming comes on. So maybe that's my beef with this whole thing - semantics. If you called it "most annoying hit songs" or something, that would clarify the personal nature of your list. Or you can do nothing, and I'll just see it and move on.

 

[sadchild]

I consider it my personal worst songs list. If you think "Kiss On My List" is one of the worst songs of all time, that's cool. Even though I like it (it was one of the first two seven inch records I ever bought).

Take a song like "We Built This City". It's been named "worst song" many times...

In 2011, a Rolling Stone magazine online readers poll named "We Built This City" the worst song of the 1980s. The song's winning margin was so large that the magazine reported it "could be the biggest blow-out victory in the history of the Rolling Stone Readers Poll".

...but a big factor in this label is how much it's been heard. And it's only been heard so much because a lot of people like it (I think it's ok, the music is catchy but the words are fucking stupid). I hate the songs "Hair Do", "Hot Problems", "Mother E", "Leck Mich Im Arsch", "Oh Come On", "Milk Milk Lemonade", "Damn Bruh I Love Keke" and "Hateful Love" but 99.9% of the world has never heard them. But they're also on my worst of list

Also, just because an artist is great doesn't make all of their music great, they can make terrible songs (and do) - Hall & Oates included. And should be called out on it. Their cover of "Jingle Bell Rock" is atrocious! I love The Cure but I hate "Gone", "Never", "Scream", "So What" and their cover of "Foxy Lady". Prince has a lot of songs I love, but "When Doves Cry", "Raspberry Beret" and "Sign o' the Times" were top 5 hits and I hate all three of them - "hit songs that happen to annoy" me, as you'd call it!

As for The Doors I consider them "the worst successful band in rock". There are worse, but none as big as these guys got. Still can't fathom how or why.

 

[Jon]

I consider it my personal worst songs list. If you think "Kiss On My List" is one of the worst songs of all time, that's cool. Even though I like it (it was one of the first two seven inch records I ever bought).

Take a song like "We Built This City". It's been named "worst song" many times...

In 2011, a Rolling Stone magazine online readers poll named "We Built This City" the worst song of the 1980s. The song's winning margin was so large that the magazine reported it "could be the biggest blow-out victory in the history of the Rolling Stone Readers Poll".

...but a big factor in this label is how much it's been heard. And it's only been heard so much because a lot of people like it (I think it's ok, the music is catchy but the words are fucking stupid). I hate the songs "Hair Do", "Hot Problems", "Mother E", "Leck Mich Im Arsch", "Oh Come On", "Milk Milk Lemonade", "Damn Bruh I Love Keke" and "Hateful Love" but 99.9% of the world has never heard them. But they're also on my worst of list

Also, just because an artist is great doesn't make all of their music great, they can make terrible songs (and do) - Hall & Oates included. And should be called out on it. Their cover of "Jingle Bell Rock" is atrocious! I love The Cure but I hate "Gone", "Never", "Scream", "So What" and their cover of "Foxy Lady". Prince has a lot of songs I love, but "When Doves Cry", "Raspberry Beret" and "Sign o' the Times" were top 5 hits and I hate all three of them - "hit songs that happen to annoy" me, as you'd call it!

As for The Doors I consider them "the worst successful band in rock". There are worse, but none as big as these guys got. Still can't fathom how or why.

Pretty much the same reasoning behind why I think some of the Beatles tunes are annoying. The entirety of 'Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band' does nothing for me. Stuff like Yellow Submarine, Octopus's Garden and Ob-La-De, Ob-La-Da are instant channel changers and sound like stoner nursery rhymes. Also fairly hit or miss on 3 out of the 4's solo works (George Harrison being the favorite).


Even my favorite bands have their moments, Metallica (St. Anger, Lulu), U2 (Pop, Zooropa), I could go on for days. On the other hand, a lot of stuff that gets criticism on these boards is stuff that's in my playlist, Lady Gaga is immensely talented, Bruno Mars is a good groove, and Billie Eilish is growing on me. Plus you'll remember I'm the Country fan around here, so I'm used to overt criticism of my musical tastes. Even in that category I think the new Country Rap sucks. I like both genres separately, but they do not go together.

 

[scotchandcigar]

As for The Doors I consider them "the worst successful band in rock". There are worse, but none as big as these guys got. Still can't fathom how or why.

This is the part I don't understand. I can see you hating Morrison's singing, or hating keyboard rock, or hating the whole sound of the band. But Morrison's one of the best front-men in rock, and has one of the strongest, purest, most spot-on voices. Again, I don't say this to have you go "oh, well I guess I should like him then". Same with Manzarek on keyboards, and Krieger on guitar. They are pioneers of that genre of rock. But I don't need you to agree. It's just the broad declarations about what other people should think that irks me.

I dislike most hard rock and metal. There's maybe 3 Metallica songs I can handle. But I know they have immense talent, and are loved by a large percent of society. Yet I don't ever need to listen to them. And I'll leave it at that.

 

[sadchild]

Pioneers of keyboard rock. Totally agreed. But I don't listen to most of the pioneers (Kraftwerk I'm looking at you) because it's been improved upon since. And I think it's okay to hate something millions of people love and sit back saying "WTF do you people see in this?!" I do that with Cardi B, Doja Cat, Drake, Justin Beiber, Billie Eilish, Arianda Grande and yes even Taylor Swift. And there are millions of people who would come to defend them just like you'd defend The Doors. Add in the Grateful Dead and I think all nine of them are absolutely terrible. And some would say "I can understand hating The Doors and The Dead but how can you bash Taylor and Drake??" And some would say "I can understand bashing Beiber and Arianda but how can you hate The Doors and The Dead??" Different strokes, man. And I've seen nothing great about Morrison as a frontman. Maybe just because I haven't bothered looking at his performances. I've seen one and he sucked. And I've heard about this "great performance"...

The Doors would unknowingly play their final concert with Morrison on Dec. 12, 1970, at the New Orleans concert hall, The Warehouse. It was a disaster, ending with a belligerent Morrison smashing a hole through the stage floor with a mic stand and walking off.

 

[scotchandcigar]

Pioneers of keyboard rock. Totally agreed. But I don't listen to most of the pioneers (Kraftwerk I'm looking at you) because it's been improved upon since. And I think it's okay to hate something millions of people love and sit back saying "WTF do you people see in this?!" I do that with Cardi B, Doja Cat, Drake, Justin Beiber, Billie Eilish, Arianda Grande and yes even Taylor Swift. And there are millions of people who would come to defend them just like you'd defend The Doors. Add in the Grateful Dead and I think all nine of them are absolutely terrible. And some would say "I can understand hating The Doors and The Dead but how can you bash Taylor and Drake??" And some would say "I can understand bashing Beiber and Arianda but how can you hate The Doors and The Dead??" Different strokes, man. And I've seen nothing great about Morrison as a frontman. Maybe just because I haven't bothered looking at his performances. I've seen one and he sucked. And I've heard about this "great performance"...

The Doors would unknowingly play their final concert with Morrison on Dec. 12, 1970, at the New Orleans concert hall, The Warehouse. It was a disaster, ending with a belligerent Morrison smashing a hole through the stage floor with a mic stand and walking off.

So Morrison became a drug-addled drunk, and that's all you know about him? Do you hate Alice in Chains or Stone Temple Pilots for the same reason?

Look, I'll be the first to say that Taylor Swift's music sucks, but she's a good singer and puts on a great show. Of course Morrison is a great frontman. That's why they were big. But there's no need for you to witness it personally, in order for it to be true.

But the Justin Bieber comparison is just foolish. No one's going to be playing his music catalog 50 years from now. He was never known for making particularly good music. Whereas the Doors were up there with The Who and the Stones and Pink Floyd for shaping rock and roll. You might disagree, but that's not the point. So please continue to hate them.

 

[scotchandcigar]

I just noticed that this back-and-forth we've been having about The Doors is in the Pop2K thread. I don't remember how it got here, but allow me to derail it even more. The following stats are only meant to dispel the notion that The Doors were not a big deal.

Album sales:
1st album - 4x Platinum (peaked at #2 in '67)
2nd album - Platinum (peaked at #3 in '67)
3rd album - Platinum (peaked at #1 in '68)
4th album - Platinum (peaked at #6 in '69)
5th album - Platinum (peaked at #4 in '70)
6th album - 3x Platinum (peaked at #9 in '71)
Live album released in '91- Platinum
1970 Compilation - Platinum
1980 Greatest Hits - 3x Platinum
1985 Best Of - Diamond (10x Platinum)
1996 Hits Remaster - 2x Platinum
1997 Box Set - Platinum

Movies/Videos:
1981 Video - Platinum
1985 Video - Platinum
1991 Soundtrack - Platinum
1999 Video - Platinum
2000 Live Video - Platinum
2001 Video - Platinum
2004 Live Video - 2x Platinum

Singles:
2 @ #1, 1 @ #3, 3 more top 20, 2 more top 40.

I'm not posting this to impress you. It's just to point out that they were considered a majorly successful band to many people, during a time when album sales and Billboard charts made sense.

 

[sadchild]

I have a cousin that HATES John Fogerty's voice. Millions love him but he hates them. I have a friend who HATES Brian Johnson's voice ("That's not singing it's screeching. It's awful! I don't know how anyone can listen to it!") but millions love AC/DC. I don't tell them "Look, AC/DC and CCR are up there with The Beatles and Black Sabbath. Disagree all you want but..." They don't like what they don't like. They don't see talent where many do. They can't imagine why anyone else does. Similarly, as you know, I don't like Chris Cornell's voice (higher register). People look at me cockeyed sometimes when I say it. But that's how I feel about it.

In my opinion, AIC/STP had great music and were each fronted by people who became drug-addled drunks. In my opinion, The Doors had terrible music and was fronted by a drug-addled drunk. Pioneers? Yes. Unlistenable? Yes. In my opinion. I don't read my cousin and friend the riot act because they can't stand two bands that helped shape rock and roll. They just can't stand 'em. Fine. Some people hate bacon. It's a perfectly fine food, but not everyone thinks it tastes good. I personally think The Doors taste like shit. And smell like it too! In fact, good chance he literally did toward the end!

As for their sales/chart accomplishments, that's why I refer to them as the worst successful band in rock history. Still can't fathom why people bought it or keep buying it. So yeah, continuing to hate them is definitely on the agenda

 

[Jon]