IdRatherBeSkiing
Sherbert is NOT and NEVER WILL BE ice cream.
I gotta say MS has now made itself a bit relivant. Before we only got into Android vs Apple flame wars. Now we have MS vs Apple. Android vs MS anybody?
Windows 8
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Manco
Active Member
DAB, you called Windows 8 a total mess, not me. Pointing out a couple problems and calling it a total mess is not a review. I can see how people might think it's a total mess if they are not willing to learn something new, but my take is different. I can relate to your reaction because I had a similar shock when I tried it. Then I used it more and realized I can do everything I do in Windows 7 as fast or faster but I had to adapt to get to that point. I like the windows 7 environment. I basically get that with Windows 8. And I get a new environment for new applications, and some of those apps are amazing, and some suck and everything in between. But I don't feel the need to use metro apps if the old style app is better. And I Windows 8 gives me a choice. I like choices, so I was willing to stick with it, and so far I'm happy I did. My laptop is now instant on from standby. The lock screen has notifications and time (Finally!) which is a nice touch.
Anyway, I found your "It's a mess" kind of too dismissive as to be fair to those that are genuinely interested in Windows 8 and what it would mean to them if they upgraded. I have used every single version of Windows since windows 2.x, and have upgraded usually during beta, and so far I haven't been disappointed except for ME version. So maybe I'm different, I'm always seeking easier more efficient ways to work, with more stable, faster environments. I think Windows 8 has the potential to meet that criteria for many people, so far it meets that criteria for me, and I can experience the future now. I don't have to wait. Windows 8 is not a must have upgrade for most, but it is for me now.
Anyway, I found your "It's a mess" kind of too dismissive as to be fair to those that are genuinely interested in Windows 8 and what it would mean to them if they upgraded. I have used every single version of Windows since windows 2.x, and have upgraded usually during beta, and so far I haven't been disappointed except for ME version. So maybe I'm different, I'm always seeking easier more efficient ways to work, with more stable, faster environments. I think Windows 8 has the potential to meet that criteria for many people, so far it meets that criteria for me, and I can experience the future now. I don't have to wait. Windows 8 is not a must have upgrade for most, but it is for me now.
DAB
Mod Emeritus
You maybe correct Manco... I really don't have any intent to use Windows as my primary OS at home or work. However, I do try to stay up on this kind of stuff, because I will have family, friends and/ or even co-workers that will ask for help. Some have already asked me if they should upgrade. So, in my circle I am pretty respected as someone in the know. So, I took it upon myself to buy and install this upgrade. No I wasn't beta testing it all along like you were. So my reaction is that of an end user going from a very good and solid working Windows 7 to Windows 8. I don't use the term mess lightly, I think it is a mess. I find that things that use to be a single click are now multiple clicks. That isn't making my life easier or more productive.
The first thing end users such as myself have to get beyond is the dumb two (yes that is my feeling) dual environment. It makes no sense. MS should have just made the new start menu an option, but NOT the center piece of how the OS operates. Most everything I've used in the new environment lacks most of the same features than the normal environment does. Mail and Calendar though they look great, are stripped down versions compared to most 3rd party email apps. I do understand the new start screen being the center piece of a tablet experience.
I think MS took the wrong approach on this and it seems to me they are just going to alienate folks when they didn't have to. If I am an experienced end-user how do you think this is going to sit with those that aren't so experienced, but have been using windows for awhile. I got people in my agency that this would all but stop them from being able to do their work.
I bring up Apple only because it is the only other OS I have experience using. They too have moved to make the desktop more inline with the mobile. But they did it by adding features that are the same and over two updates. They will continue to do this and it allows them not to totally alienate their base users, while ever so slowly pushing them more and more towards a unified experienced between mobile and desktop.
Anyway.. I am glad you like Windows 8, on this forum you are a big cheerleader for it. However, I am just not there and I want to be. There are folks that don't want to be and you give this to them. How do you think they are going to react? An upgrade should not cause shell shock and for someone to have to totally figure out how to do what was so easily before.
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Manco
Active Member
This dual environment strategy will be a rough start for them, but in the long run it is probably the right thing. The next windows computer people buy will likely have a touch screen, and they will get used to things and then it will all seem natural.
I haven't recommended upgrading for anyone in my circle yet. There will always be a caveat with my recommendation because not everyone is ready to make the jump.
I haven't recommended upgrading for anyone in my circle yet. There will always be a caveat with my recommendation because not everyone is ready to make the jump.
Biaviian
Well-Known Member
I can't imagine ever going to a touch screen. MAYBE if it was just for light Internet browsing but I have a tablet for that. I don't see developers ever going to a touchscreen computer for their working environment.
memebag
Top Brass, ADVP
Yeah, the ergonomics are wrong for anyone who needs big display(s) at eye height. Especially for developers, since we get sleepy when we have to move too much.