The Police Thread

Channel98 said:
I'm not a legal expert, nor do I play one on tv, but I'm pretty sure there must be some kind of law against setting fire to a police station.

www.dailyprogress.com

Protesters set fire to Minneapolis police station in wake of handcuffed man's death

Livestream video showed protesters entering a station where fire alarms blared and sprinklers ran as blazes were set in a third night of protest following the death of George Floyd
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There also is a law about murdering suspects you are trying to take in to custody. Maybe call this a wash.
 
Look, it's a downer that the guy died and that cop was too rough with him but we don't know what he died of yet.

Good way to avoid all of this...don't try to buy stuff with fake bills.
 
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JHDK said:
Look, it's a downer that the guy died and that cop was too rough with him but we don't know what he died of yet.
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Don't we?
JHDK said:
Good way to avoid all of this...don't try to buy stuff with fake bills.
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Kinda. But jaywalkers aren't sentenced to the electric chair.
People that fall down the hill at a Publix parking lot don't get the gas chamber.

If the guy was coming at the cops with a knife or shooting at them, I could understand him being dead at the end of it all.
If the guy was fighting and swinging at them, I could understand him getting a little bruised up.
The guy was not resisting, cuffed, and under control by 4 cops. 3 of them were sitting on him.
There is no reason that the guy shouldn't have been in a cop car at that point.
There is no reason that he should have ended up dead.
 
HecticArt said:
Don't we?
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www.cnn.com

Minnesota governor says destruction is no longer about George Floyd and he'll mobilize full National Guard

Minnesota's governor said Saturday he will move to "fully mobilize the National Guard" after destructive Minneapolis-area protests that he says are "no longer in any way about the murder of George Floyd."
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Autopsy lists several factors
A preliminary autopsy said the combined effects of Floyd being restrained, potential intoxicants in his system and underlying health issues, including heart disease, contributed to his death.
It said there was no physical findings to support strangulation as the cause of death.

And that's from CNN who you know would love to splash "Strangulation Cause of Death" across the top of their site. And they put it at the way bottom of the article, a spot where many will never see due to just skimming the story and moving on.

Of course the channel's doctor (who has had no contact with the body) wants to dispute the preliminary findings:

The absence of physical evidence doesn't necessarily mean Floyd didn't die from asphyxiation, CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta cautioned.
 
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JHDK said:
www.cnn.com

Minnesota governor says destruction is no longer about George Floyd and he'll mobilize full National Guard

Minnesota's governor said Saturday he will move to "fully mobilize the National Guard" after destructive Minneapolis-area protests that he says are "no longer in any way about the murder of George Floyd."
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

Autopsy lists several factors
A preliminary autopsy said the combined effects of Floyd being restrained, potential intoxicants in his system and underlying health issues, including heart disease, contributed to his death.
It said there was no physical findings to support strangulation as the cause of death.

And that's from CNN who you know would love to splash "Strangulation Cause of Death" across the top of their site. And they put it at the way bottom of the article, a spot where many will never see due to just skimming the story and moving on.

Of course the channel's doctor (who has had no contact with the body) wants to dispute the preliminary findings:

The absence of physical evidence doesn't necessarily mean Floyd didn't die from asphyxiation, CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta cautioned.
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Tell me he would have died if not restrained.
 
JHDK said:
Of course that was a major factor that aggravated his pre-existing conditions, but you tell me why he was restrained in the first place.
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The clerk at the store thought the $20 was fake (it wasn't). The police responded.

Do you know why they kept the knee on after he was unconscious?
 
He also refused to get out of his car initially. A cop tells me to do something and I do it, even if I think I did no wrong.

Cops aren't EMT's. He called for an ambo early on in the process.

Look the cop clearly used excessive force. I'm just saying no one was acting like a saint during all of it.

Where are you seeing the bill wasn't fake? I'm not finding it.
 
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JHDK said:
He also refused to get out of his car initially. A cop tells me to do something and I do it, even if I think I did no wrong.

Cops aren't EMT's. He called for an ambo early on in the process.

Look the cop clearly used excessive force. I'm just saying no one was acting like a saint during all of it.

Where are you seeing the bill wasn't fake? I'm not finding it.
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I saw it a while back. But I didn't double check the source so I won't push that further. But still a fake $20 doesn't deserve that. Also if it was fake, he may have gotten it and been passing it unknowingly.
 
According to the 911 caller he was also an, 'awfully drunk' man who was 'not in control of himself'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Store clerk claimed George Floyd was 'not in control of himself'

Minneapolis Police Department released a transcript of a call but there appeared to be some confusion over the gender and race of the suspect at one point on Monday evening.
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Now show me any cop who takes kindly to a person resisting arrest. Once again the cop was wrong but all of this could have been avoided by following orders. When I blew a .4 on my DUI I still knew enough to pull over and cooperate as soon as I saw the cop light me up.
 
JHDK said:
According to the 911 caller he was also an, 'awfully drunk' man who was 'not in control of himself'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Store clerk claimed George Floyd was 'not in control of himself'

Minneapolis Police Department released a transcript of a call but there appeared to be some confusion over the gender and race of the suspect at one point on Monday evening.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Now show me any cop who takes kindly to a person resisting arrest. Once again the cop was wrong but all of this could have been avoided by following orders. When I blew a .4 on my DUI I still knew enough to pull over and cooperate as soon as I saw the cop light me up.
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Do you have any source that indicates he was resisting arrest and not just being a bit belligerent?
 
Go to the 2:00 minute mark. To me that looks like he is clearly refusing an order to get out of the car and thus resisting. You can see the passenger got right out and no force was used.

 
1965: Rioting, looting and arson in Los Angeles.
1992: Rioting, looting and arson in Los Angeles.
2020: Rioting, looting and arson in Los Angeles. And it's worse now because these rioters and looters are not practicing social distnacing. A curfew is in effect from 8 PM until 5:30 AM tomorrow in Los Angeles, Beverly Hills, Culver City, Santa Monica, West Hollywood and Pasadena. The curfew does not apply to emergency caregivers or people going to and from work. Today, several police cars on Fairfax Avenue were set on fire and a police kiosk at The Grove shopping complex was set on fire – and don't think George Floyd's family doesn't appreciate this show of support!
 
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