Way to go Kevin !!!!
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Wooohoooo Congrats Kevin and KHI.
For me, that was kind of a boring race, hopefully the Cup race will be better tonight!
Anyone else thought that?
For me, that was kind of a boring race, hopefully the Cup race will be better tonight!
Anyone else thought that?
Aww c'mon Dex. It wasn't that bad. My guy didn't win but you cat take anything away from Harvick lapping the field :worried:
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No of course not. Kevin and Kyle did fantastic jobs running the way they did. But how long are they going to let this series spiral out of control? Like the two only Nationwide regulars in the top 10 in points are start and park drivers. It was the most uncompetitive Nationwide race I can ever remember. And they want to bring out a new car?
Does this mean I can wear my Harvick hat again? 
Glad to see Happy having some success this year. RCR is having their hienies kicked in Sprint Cup this year, but that is another topic all together.
Glad to see Happy having some success this year. RCR is having their hienies kicked in Sprint Cup this year, but that is another topic all together.
I had DVR'd the race and went to watch it and deleted it after about 30 laps or so. I could tell it was bad.
And I too find it a little hard to believe nascar wants to bring in a new car. The economy ain't gettin' any better...in fact it's a lot worse than what the TV people might say. These teams are hurting for dollars and now they're forced to deal with a new car?
And I too find it a little hard to believe nascar wants to bring in a new car. The economy ain't gettin' any better...in fact it's a lot worse than what the TV people might say. These teams are hurting for dollars and now they're forced to deal with a new car?
If you didn't care for the race the other night you're going to be a tough guy to please.
I was talking about the NW race. But even the cup race wasn't all THAT to me. I felt it was a little too long (by about 100 laps), and I'm not a big fan of the 1 1/2 miles. The last part of the race I did enjoy as well as the restarts of course.
I've heard several callers talk about the excitement of watching all the drivers fight the car from sliding out of control. I guess that's ok to a point but it seemed to me to keep the race from being REALLY exciting. With so many fighting the car they weren't fighting other drivers.
You could make a case that I'm a tough guy to please...I can't deny it. My heart is with the short tracks. I don't need blazing speed...I want close competition (on non-plate tracks).
I've heard several callers talk about the excitement of watching all the drivers fight the car from sliding out of control. I guess that's ok to a point but it seemed to me to keep the race from being REALLY exciting. With so many fighting the car they weren't fighting other drivers.
You could make a case that I'm a tough guy to please...I can't deny it. My heart is with the short tracks. I don't need blazing speed...I want close competition (on non-plate tracks).
I dont know if it needs its own thread, but how anybody enjoys the Nationwide series is beyond me. How the 3rd place car can make one less pit stop and still finish 2 seconds behind the winner is a testament to how uncompetitive the series is. The series is dying a slow death and will eventually get there.
I enjoyed the cup race, as I said I thought it was the best COT 1.5 mile race ive ever seen. But yeah, the shills on SNR will hoop and holler about how the drivers being out of control is great, but MGHTX is right, out of control cars dont provide great racing as a rule. And thats been my main complaint with this piece of shit car. Make the car slow and handle like a dream (LIKE THE IROC CARS) and you may have some good side by side racing for more than 1.3 laps.
I enjoyed the cup race, as I said I thought it was the best COT 1.5 mile race ive ever seen. But yeah, the shills on SNR will hoop and holler about how the drivers being out of control is great, but MGHTX is right, out of control cars dont provide great racing as a rule. And thats been my main complaint with this piece of shit car. Make the car slow and handle like a dream (LIKE THE IROC CARS) and you may have some good side by side racing for more than 1.3 laps.
I guess we all have our ideas on what great racing is. I like them being on the edge. If all of the cars handled like a dream, IMO the racing wouldn't be very good at all. But then again, I wasn't a huge IROC fan either.
As far as that Atlanta race, I like that track more than any of the other 1.5's.
As far as that Atlanta race, I like that track more than any of the other 1.5's.
My big problem with the Atlanta track is the track surface. They did that diamond grinding process there like Indy has done. That eats tires for breakfast and spits it out. I applaud Goodyear for the tire they HAD to make for Indy. Between the track and the COT, Goodyear had their back against the wall.
I wish nascar would put a complete halt to that being done on any track that nascar races on.
I wish nascar would put a complete halt to that being done on any track that nascar races on.
I dont recall when Atlanta did the diamond grinding process. I think its just a very old surface.
Cars driving on the edge of out of control rarely produce good racing. Compare the 2000 Daytona 500 with the 2001 Daytona 500. Sure Nascar went from one extreme to another but there is a happy medium. I dont see how anybody can complain with the quality of show the IROC cars put on. Who was involved and how it was executed is a matter of debate, but the quality of racing on tracks that cup cars put fans to sleep at doesnt need to be proven.
Cars driving on the edge of out of control rarely produce good racing. Compare the 2000 Daytona 500 with the 2001 Daytona 500. Sure Nascar went from one extreme to another but there is a happy medium. I dont see how anybody can complain with the quality of show the IROC cars put on. Who was involved and how it was executed is a matter of debate, but the quality of racing on tracks that cup cars put fans to sleep at doesnt need to be proven.
I think that it's the exact opposite. I think that putting it back into the drivers hands that are manhandling the car produces much better racing. If you though that Sunday's race was a lousy race, I'm not sure what could please you. There was more green flag passing for the lead than we've seen in some time.
As far as IROC goes. Each of the cars was identically prepared. Think back a couple of years when the COT was introduced. Most everyone's argument about that car was that we might as well be running IROC. Turns out that's not the case. The cars aren't identical.
As far as IROC goes. Each of the cars was identically prepared. Think back a couple of years when the COT was introduced. Most everyone's argument about that car was that we might as well be running IROC. Turns out that's not the case. The cars aren't identical.
Sunday's race was fantastic. But that quality of action and passing is not par for the course for the COT at the big tracks. And come on you know that. What I would like is to fix these cars so we can have that most weeks, not just once or twice a year. By IROC style cars I mean slow, and easy to drive. How does that not keep it into the drivers hands? If anything this POS car takes it out of the drivers and crews hands more into the technology and engineers hands.
This race was a wildcard as far as the tire and conditions go. The race at Atlanta in March this year was awful, the two races there last year were equally as awful. This was a blip on the radar and not an indication of the car. The car still needs to be overhauled.
This race was a wildcard as far as the tire and conditions go. The race at Atlanta in March this year was awful, the two races there last year were equally as awful. This was a blip on the radar and not an indication of the car. The car still needs to be overhauled.
Anybody remember when the COT came out the word was that this car would put it back into the hands of the drivers?
Yet how many races are determined in the pits? Who gets out first has the best chance. Get a good restart, don't spin the tires, get in front and your car takes off. Even if your car hasn't been the greatest car on track all day, once your in front it takes off most times.
Remember Montoya at Indy and that great car he had? But the pit road speeding put him in the pack and he didn't get to the front again with that awesome car. And there was that race where Jr. had a "bad" car but got to the front and the car was a rocket.
Even Jimmie has noted this several times in interviews.
I do, however, like that this car take take a beating and keep going. It's a fantastic short track car. Now if nascar can just put two-and-two together....which is why I want to see a cup date at ORP and Iowa.
Yet how many races are determined in the pits? Who gets out first has the best chance. Get a good restart, don't spin the tires, get in front and your car takes off. Even if your car hasn't been the greatest car on track all day, once your in front it takes off most times.
Remember Montoya at Indy and that great car he had? But the pit road speeding put him in the pack and he didn't get to the front again with that awesome car. And there was that race where Jr. had a "bad" car but got to the front and the car was a rocket.
Even Jimmie has noted this several times in interviews.
I do, however, like that this car take take a beating and keep going. It's a fantastic short track car. Now if nascar can just put two-and-two together....which is why I want to see a cup date at ORP and Iowa.
I don't think that the IROC series was all that competitive. Go back and look at the stats on those races. You'll find that one car pretty much dominated the entire race. All cars of equal range of power an down force IMO produce more boring racing. Dirty up the air or dirty up the car. Like the trucks. IMO it should be hard to drive. They proved that last weekend by putting on a good race.