Roberto's call to Howard

Ifandorbut

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I guess its a testament to how good the show is that people get so wrapped up in minutia that half the time is just in their heads. I can see it two ways: Sirius doesn't pay Artie enough so he has to work side gigs to make up the difference OR Artie can't pass up the extra money he could make on the side while he is hot and is piling that on top of what Sirius pays him.

I've never found myself wondering about the salaries of the TV actors I watch, do you guys?

Roberto's call made for interesting radio, his call touched on topics that are germane to what's going on behind the scenes on Howard's channel as well as what's going on over the airwaves of his channel. Do you think for one second that if Eric from Hoboken called in to discuss Howard TV that two days later the topic of his call would be such a hot button topic on Howard's show as well as the Wrap Up Show?

I love that a caller got through(and continues to get through, though it's the same caller)and brought up a subject concerning the show that wasn't just a blatant plug for HTV or a desperate grab for cash from Howard's advertisers. Roberto really seems to be a fan of the show and not just an ass kissing phone jockey with a town suffix or a bong hit prefix. It seems that he's afraid that one of the cornerstones of the show might be killing himself in order to make money on the side in lieu of the paycheck he clears every two weeks at Sirius.

When Roberto hears Will and Doug Goodstein and DePace talk ill about Secret Santa or richardandsal talk about having to go on the road, perhaps he looks at what Howard makes each year and he wonders why Howard couldn't throw the staff some money during the holidays?

Sure, Roberto is counting Howard's money and he's passing judgment on Howard in the process. But Roberto's money counting is not that different from Howard counting Jay Leno's money and passing judgment on Jay for not trying to break NBC's bank.
 

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Sure, Roberto is counting Howard's money and he's passing judgment on Howard in the process. But Roberto's money counting is not that different from Howard counting Jay Leno's money and passing judgment on Jay for not trying to break NBC's bank.


Well said, it was interesting and good radio to have Howard on the receiving side for a change.
 

jef

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Sure, Roberto is counting Howard's money and he's passing judgment on Howard in the process. But Roberto's money counting is not that different from Howard counting Jay Leno's money and passing judgment on Jay for not trying to break NBC's bank.

But see, this is the hypocrisy. The Roberto's that are busy counting Howard's money are often also giving Howard grief for counting Jay's money.

Like Bubba says - "Everyone cuts their own deal, kid." It's a flip comment, but it holds true. No one has a gun to their head, forcing them to accept a less than flattering wage. If Richardandsal were as funny as they think they are, they could certainly walk out the door and not look back.

In Artie's case, he's said it before - He has issues with money, and feels like he can't say no because he doesn't know when the time will come that no one is offering it to him anymore. Maybe if he didn't spend it all on drugs and whores and gambling, he could feel differently. But then, we'd not have some good stories to hear.
 

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In Artie's case, he's said it before - He has issues with money, and feels like he can't say no because he doesn't know when the time will come that no one is offering it to him anymore. Maybe if he didn't spend it all on drugs and whores and gambling, he could feel differently. But then, we'd not have some good stories to hear.

He might have to cut back on his helicopter rentals. Oh the horror!

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But see, this is the hypocrisy. The Roberto's that are busy counting Howard's money are often also giving Howard grief for counting Jay's money.

Like Bubba says - "Everyone cuts their own deal, kid." It's a flip comment, but it holds true. No one has a gun to their head, forcing them to accept a less than flattering wage. If Richardandsal were as funny as they think they are, they could certainly walk out the door and not look back.

In Artie's case, he's said it before - He has issues with money, and feels like he can't say no because he doesn't know when the time will come that no one is offering it to him anymore. Maybe if he didn't spend it all on drugs and whores and gambling, he could feel differently. But then, we'd not have some good stories to hear.

I can't talk to the "Roberto's" that you're putting into the mix because I don't know exactly what you mean by that. I don't think every case is the same. I just think there is a similarity between Roberto counting Howard's money and Howard counting Jay's money.

I realize that everyone makes their own deal. Perhaps in Artie's case, his insecurity over his self worth, not just financial, is what holds him back from leaving. I think Artie is torn between wanting to retire from the show and not becoming persona not grata with Howard and his fans.

Artie was a big fan of Howard's show before he climbed on board the Jackie chair. He saw how the fans turned on the Jokeman during all of his countless drawn out contract negotiations and after Jackie left the show. I think Artie is constantly at odds with that aspect as well as the idea that he would be killing his golden promotional vehicle at selling out the Borgatta three times a year.

But that's just on the Artie side of things. Roberto also touched on Howard not going to bat for Bubba. Howard countered back by saying something to the effect that Roberto doesn't know that he did or didn't go to bat for him. But I think that Roberto's point back to Howard that if he did go to bat for him, why was Bubba left with only a one year deal at Sirius and stuck having to work two jobs to make his show work? Roberto's point being, if Howard is the big shot at satellite, shouldn't he be able to dictate some of the parameters involved in filling out the roster of talent on his channel?

By the end of the Roberto fall out, Howard was mentioning that he helped to build satellite radio's current subscriber tally by bringing over 5 to 6 million of his fan base. With that kind of pull, Roberto's ideas of what Howard should be able to do for his channels doesn't seem that far fetched. The end result being that Roberto wants to have the best radio possible for the money. He wanted to ask his question directly to Howard.

It was a fair question.
 
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jef

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I can't talk to the "Roberto's" that you're putting into the mix because I don't know exactly what you mean by that. I don't think every case is the same. I just think there is a similarity between Roberto counting Howard's money and Howard counting Jay's money.

Basically, I'm just saying that some people feel like Roberto, who is annoyed with Howard for taking a shit on Jay because of what he does with his money. But they are doing the same thing by taking a shit on Howard for the same reason. There's a whole thread on it here.


I realize that everyone makes their own deal. Perhaps in Artie's case, his insecurity over his self worth, not just financial, is what holds him back from leaving. I think Artie is torn between wanting to retire from the show and not becoming persona not grata with Howard and his fans.

This is probably the case - his lifestyle just doesn't play into getting up at 4am. He does want to leave, but that means a bit hit to his income and a loss of a built-in audience/plug system.


But that's just on the Artie side of things. Roberto also touched on Howard not going to bat for Bubba. Howard countered back by saying something to the effect that Roberto doesn't know that he did or didn't go to bat for him. But I think that Roberto's point back to Howard that if he did go to bat for him, why was Bubba left with only a one year deal at Sirius and stuck having to work two jobs to make his show work? Roberto's point being, if Howard is the big shot at satellite, shouldn't he be able to dictate some of the parameters involved in filling out the roster of talent on his channel?


By the end of the Roberto fall out, Howard was mentioning that he helped to build satellite radio's current subscriber tally by bringing over 5 to 6 million of his fan base. With that kind of pull, Roberto's ideas of what Howard should be able to do for his channels doesn't seem that far fetched. The end result being that Roberto wants to have the best radio possible for the money. He wanted to ask his question directly to Howard.

It was a fair question.


But is it a fair question? Maybe its OK to question how Howard spends his money, or what he does with regards to his channels, but to then feel compelled to call him and bitch at him about it? That's a bit crazy. Howard is Howard, and does what Howard does. Howard got to be what he is today doing things his way. Just because they now have to pay $12.95, I think some folks have some sense of entitlement or feel that because they "invested", they should get some sort of return. I've been listening almost daily for 13 years, and have never felt that I don't get my money's worth. I enjoy listening and think that all of the armchair quarterbacks like Roberto should just let Howard do his thing. Apparently that was a good enough formula to get them to become fans, so it must be working. I guess that some folks may have lost some interest over the years, but that's natural. People change, but it seems that some people like Roberto have a hard time letting go. And if Roberto knows anything, he knows how geting paid when working with Howard works. The Fab 5 or whatever get what they get, and the rest get peanuts.

Also, as Howard said, no one knows exactly what Howard has done for Bubba. We already know that half of the time Howard is full of shit. Despite maybe making it sound like it, he doesn't run the company, and can't make the suits sign Bubba if they don't want to. He can make threats and such (like shutting down 101), but based on the way Sirius is being run at the moment, I'm not so sure anyone there is acting rationally. Just knowing that they can't be bothered to alert their subscribers to the recent channel changes, I don't hold much faith that they are capable of doing anything rationally.

Anyhow, thats just my 2 cents on the thing.
 

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But see, this is the hypocrisy. The Roberto's that are busy counting Howard's money are often also giving Howard grief for counting Jay's money.
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You're talking apples and oranges. Howard is not counting Leno's money (as in he's got so much money but he is too cheap to spend it). Howard's rant against Leno for not demanding more money is the direct opposite of the usual criticism that someone is getting too greedy by demanding too much money. It is totally irrational. Why the hell should Howard care if Leno is not squeezing out every penny from NBC? He doesn't. Howard is pissed at Leno in general and he is going to criticize everything Leno does no matter what... Leno can do no right.

Roberto does not have to count Howard's money. Everyone knows Howard is being paid many millions. What is shocking to Roberto (I did not catch his entire call.. so I'm making some assumptions) is that his staff gets paid so little (or was it just Artie?) .. Howard could double many salaries with bonuses paid from his income and after taxes he would hardly feel a thing. I am not a big Benji fan but everyone on the show seems to acknowledge that he does a lot of writing and other shit. So I was surprised when Fred wanted to return Benji's Christmas present ($150 or so?) because he could not afford it.
 

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You're talking apples and oranges. Howard is not counting Leno's money (as in he's got so much money but he is too cheap to spend it). Howard's rant against Leno for not demanding more money is the direct opposite of the usual criticism that someone is getting too greedy by demanding too much money. It is totally irrational. Why the hell should Howard care if Leno is not squeezing out every penny from NBC? He doesn't. Howard is pissed at Leno in general and he is going to criticize everything Leno does no matter what... Leno can do no right.

Roberto does not have to count Howard's money. Everyone knows Howard is being paid many millions. What is shocking to Roberto (I did not catch his entire call.. so I'm making some assumptions) is that his staff gets paid so little (or was it just Artie?) .. Howard could double many salaries with bonuses paid from his income and after taxes he would hardly feel a thing. I am not a big Benji fan but everyone on the show seems to acknowledge that he does a lot of writing and other shit. So I was surprised when Fred wanted to return Benji's Christmas present ($150 or so?) because he could not afford it.


I disagree - counting money is counting money. Howard is counting Jay's and saying he is stupid for not getting more. Others are counting Howard's and saying he is cheap for not giving it to other people. Maybe I just see it that way.

Anyhow, any of the crew that aren't happy should leave if they feel they should make more. I've quit jobs that didn't want to open their wallet for me, and any of the Stern crew is more than welcome to as well. Scott the Engineer was saying that a bonus from Howard for all of the hard work for the year would be nice. How long has he worked for Howard?

I'm not saying that I think Howard is doing the right thing. I'm just saying that it isn't any of my business.
 

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I disagree - counting money is counting money. Howard is counting Jay's and saying he is stupid for not getting more. Others are counting Howard's and saying he is cheap for not giving it to other people. Maybe I just see it that way.

Anyhow, any of the crew that aren't happy should leave if they feel they should make more. I've quit jobs that didn't want to open their wallet for me, and any of the Stern crew is more than welcome to as well. Scott the Engineer was saying that a bonus from Howard for all of the hard work for the year would be nice. How long has he worked for Howard?

I'm not saying that I think Howard is doing the right thing. I'm just saying that it isn't any of my business.

But Howard makes his staff and their lives a part of the show. If there is a marriage, there is an on-air discussion of how much everyone gave, how much the wedding costs, etc etc. Howard is constantly urging this asshole Sal to get divorced but he can't (according to Dominic and common sense) because he doesn't make enough money to support two households. The ability to pay for things like rent is a recurring subject. Howard can't have it both ways.. every aspect of the lives of staff members open to inspection or ridicule or whatever yet discussion of whether or not Howard should spread the wealth a no-no.
 

jef

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But Howard makes his staff and their lives a part of the show. If there is a marriage, there is an on-air discussion of how much everyone gave, how much the wedding costs, etc etc. Howard is constantly urging this asshole Sal to get divorced but he can't (according to Dominic and common sense) because he doesn't make enough money to support two households. The ability to pay for things like rent is a recurring subject. Howard can't have it both ways.. every aspect of the lives of staff members open to inspection or ridicule or whatever yet discussion of whether or not Howard should spread the wealth a no-no.

In the context of the show, I don't think discussion of it by the staff is a no-no, but most of them, other than Scott, aren't too bold about doing it. I lived in NYC for 2 years and bailed because of the costs. Any one of those other guys could do the same thing.

To cry "poor me", though, yet continue to put up with all of those things you mention is something they choose to do. I love Howard, but if I had to put up with some of what the guys on the show put up with, I'd have bailed long ago, I think.
 

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Most of them would probably be making the same or less doing the same job somewhere else, at least they get to be attached to something legendary and got to work in a fun environment.

I've probably got a job offer coming next month but it will have to be a BIG salary increase to pull me away from the really cool boss I have right now. Money's not the only factor.