Is the Top 35 Rule Producing Exactly What It Was Meant To Prevent?

dpkimmel2001

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We've got a couple, no, I am going to say three, big names on the bubble of the top35 in owner points. Namely Newman, Logano, & Mark Martin. Argue somewhere else about Logano being a big name. He is a big name for my example.

Let's use Martin as my example. Let's say he has a bad week again, this time @ Bristol. If he's out of the top 35 in owner points after Bristol, he has to start qualifying to make the races. He has to be one of the 7 fastest 'go or go home' cars providing a championship provisional has to be used by someone, 8 if not. That obviously limits his chances tremendously.

Cut back to the pre top 35 years, prior to 2005. With the exception of Daytona & the two extra non-points races, didn't the top 35 or 36 qualify simply on time and the remaining positions were set by provisional's that were earned according to qualifying attempts? The 43'rd spot was used for a past champion, if needed. Why was this such an issue that it had to be changed? Frankly, I don't remember big name drivers being sent home under the old method of qualifying. I've heard mentioned that either Petty or one of his cars failed to make a race once because of this method but I can't find a link to that story.

Needless to say, I'm an anti Top 35 rule person but help me remember the way it used to be. Prior to 05, what were the rules exactly? Post a link if you can find it. I cannot. It just seems to me that this rule may very will produce what it was meant to protect.

Please don't get into whether Logano is a big name or not. Home Depot is and I thought that is what the top 35 rule was meant to protect.
 

DexterMorgan

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Before the top 35 rule each team had "provisionals" to use. They were alloted a certain amount and then got more, the more races they competed in. The deal at Atlanta 2004 where the 22 and the 10 missed the race in favor of feild fillers was a deal where those two teams were out of provisionals and the other guys had one.

Im an anti the current top 35 rules person BUT the system I believe in would be, the top 36 qualifiers on speed, then the next 7 in order of order points.
 

dpkimmel2001

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Before the top 35 rule each team had "provisionals" to use. They were alloted a certain amount and then got more, the more races they competed in. The deal at Atlanta 2004 where the 22 and the 10 missed the race in favor of feild fillers was a deal where those two teams were out of provisionals and the other guys had one.

So you're talking Scott Wimmer & Scott Riggs. I found what you're talking about and that was October 2004. Because of how far they had been into the year, they must have really sucked at qualifying to have used all of their provisionals up at that point of the season?
 

dpkimmel2001

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I'm not saying that any of the three that I mentioned will not be in the top 35 after Bristol but correct me if I am wrong here. If the rule was meant to keep big sponsors or drivers in the starting line up it could very well fail here in a few weeks. If the rule was also meant to prevent these guys from being replaced in the field with start & park teams, it could very well fail here in a few weeks. That's all I am trying to say. Does this make sense or am I totally wrong here?
 

brett1963

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Moody has been 100% correct when he says (although I swear it was Crackerheads idea)
to just turn the Top 35 upsidedown as mentioned above by Dexter.
Top 35 should be on speed and bottom 8 on points.
 

mghtx

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Sign me up for ditching the Top 35! It's the reason I pay NO attention to qualifying anymore.
 

dpkimmel2001

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Moody has been 100% correct when he says (although I swear it was Crackerheads idea)
to just turn the Top 35 upsidedown as mentioned above by Dexter.
Top 35 should be on speed and bottom 8 on points.

Well, whoever thought of that IMO has a good idea. That sounds better than the old or new way to me. :yesshake: