Howard "Sceeved Out" Because Leno Only Gets $20 Million?

Forevernever

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Every account? Lets not go overboard. Early in his tenure at NBC, Jay Leno basically let Helen Kushnick act like a raving tyrant treating all guests, publicists, etc. badly. She was notorius for threatening and blackballing people who dared appear on Letterman. While it may not have been Jay acting like this, his allowing it to happen reflects on him - (Those people who have an issue with Howard for passing the buck should also have a problem with Jay, since he often turned a blind or, or passed the buck to her.)

Jay also angered quite a few people during the writers strike. I believe he paid his people out of pocket, so I'm sure they like him. But the guys walking the picket lines who didn't quite luck into that position probably weren't that happy about it.

I miss the Jay Leno that used to appear on Letterman back in the 80s.

Leno himself was terrified of Kushnick (who was an overbearing ball-breaker) and didn't dare cross her. From what I've read, he didn't "let" her do anything; she was in total control of his career. He - as well as most of the TV industry - was relieved when she died.

As for the writers, I think you've actually got the story wrong; Leno DIDN'T pay his writers, like others were doing (Letterman, etc.). By NOT paying his writers, he was the only one respecting the writer's strike:

Joke's on Jay Leno staff - no pay

Unlike the other late-night hosts, he wrote his own jokes during the strike. I think he ended up reversing that position and did start paying his writers, but don't quote me on that.

Sorry we are talking about the Howard Stern show on a Howard Stern Board....

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jef

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As for the writers, I think you've actually got the story wrong; Leno DIDN'T pay his writers, like others were doing (Letterman, etc.). By NOT paying his writers, he was the only one respecting the writer's strike:

Yeah, thats right - for some reason I was giving him more credit that I should have :)
Supposedly, though, he wasn't writing the monologues on his own - scuttlebutt was that he had some scab help from friends.

As for Kushnick, I'm sure he was afraid of her (I've read in the past that even her daughter thought she was awful. That's gotta hurt), but you can't convince me that he wasn't at least partially happy with her behavior. Someone at the level of Jay Leno, as he's taking over the Tonight Show, could have easily done like Letterman did, and hired a Mike Ovitz or the like who could have done just as much, if not more, than she did for him in those early years. But then, it's Hollywood, so who's to say that they all aren't a bit like Kushnick.
 

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A couple of years ago, I read somewhere that XM offered Mr. Stern $30 million a year.

If that's true, do you think Howard would have a much different show or the same show? Would satellite be sitting a little prettier because there would have only been one satellite company, therefore the surviving satellite company would be stronger going into this tenuous financial time?

The other side of that thought is that we might not ever have had a second channel dedicated to the talents of Bubba and Scotty Ferrell. We might not have also had all of the hour long novelty shows and round table discussions as well.
 

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Howard probably can't grasp the concept of a person being generous to his workers, as most of the Stern staff lives in poverty, having to rely on outside gigs and show prize money to pay their bills. Pretty pathetic for the "Number 1" radio show of all time.

He also most likely can't imagine anyone having the ability to turn down money. That thought has never made it past his wig.

The reason he dislikes Jay so much is because he's jealous of him. Jay thrives quite well without Howard, doing something Howard himself failed at, a talk show. He took John, who is doing much better since leaving the Stern show. Jay also works quite hard, despite not having to, another concept lost on Howard. Leno stays up late with writers to make his show better each year, not worse like Howard's.

The result? Despite badmouthing NBC for the last year or so, Jay is offered a new show, more money, and probably many perks. Howard? Losing listeners by the day, and bankrupting the company he works for.

While Jay uses his spare time to work on the many cars Howard mocks him for having ......Howard is on the therapist's couch.

Jay is the Gallant to Howard's Goofus.
 
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Howard probably can't grasp the concept of a person being generous to his workers, as most of the Stern staff lives in poverty, having to rely on outside gigs and show prize money to pay their bills. Pretty pathetic for the "Number 1" radio show of all time.

He also most likely can't imagine anyone having the ability to turn down money. That thought has never made it past his wig.

The reason he dislikes Jay so much is because he's jealous of him. Jay thrives quite well without Howard, doing something Howard himself failed at, a talk show. He took John, who is doing much better since leaving the Stern show. Jay also works quite hard, despite not having to, another concept lost on Howard. Leno stays up late with writers to make his show better each year, not worse like Howard's.

The result? Despite badmouthing NBC for the last year or so, Jay is offered a new show, more money, and probably many perks. Howard? Losing listeners by the day, and bankrupting the company he works for.

While Jay uses his spare time to work on the many cars Howard mocks him for having ......Howard is on the therapist's couch.
Jay is the Gallant to Howard's Goofus.

You should post here more often. :bow:
 

Bark

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Yes, that's absolutely true. But what if XM had hired Stern for roughly the same amount of money? Would satellite be in the same position it is today?

Hard to say. Sirius probably would have went bankrupt eventually, but that doesn't mean XM would have been successful. They've made a few deals (like the CC one) that seems counter-productive to me.
 

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Howard probably can't grasp the concept of a person being generous to his workers, as most of the Stern staff lives in poverty, having to rely on outside gigs and show prize money to pay their bills. Pretty pathetic for the "Number 1" radio show of all time.

He also most likely can't imagine anyone having the ability to turn down money. That thought has never made it past his wig.

The reason he dislikes Jay so much is because he's jealous of him. Jay thrives quite well without Howard, doing something Howard himself failed at, a talk show. He took John, who is doing much better since leaving the Stern show. Jay also works quite hard, despite not having to, another concept lost on Howard. Leno stays up late with writers to make his show better each year, not worse like Howard's.

The result? Despite badmouthing NBC for the last year or so, Jay is offered a new show, more money, and probably many perks. Howard? Losing listeners by the day, and bankrupting the company he works for.

While Jay uses his spare time to work on the many cars Howard mocks him for having ......Howard is on the therapist's couch.

Jay is the Gallant to Howard's Goofus.
Very well put!
 

Jgatie

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I'm sorry. Better make that two sets. :D

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Forevernever

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Why, are you contemplating a new career path?

No, it just seems that you and bark are rarely critical of the show, while HTDD and DLM are exclusively critical. I find it ironic that either would attack the other given that you both commit variations of the same sin.

And what about the personal attacks? Cry-babies, needing need-pads, etc.? And given your recent PM, who's the crybaby? Shall I forward that to the mods?
 

Jgatie

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No, it just seems that you and bark are rarely critical of the show, while HTDD and DLM are exclusively critical. I find it ironic that either would attack the other given that you both commit variations of the same sin.

And what about the personal attacks? Cry-babies, needing need-pads, etc.?

Settle down Skippy. If you have a problem with "personal attacks", flag down a mod. That's a hell of a better response than sidetracking the brilliant level of conversation going on in here (or repeatedly trying to delete my rep points when you have no power to do so).