TMD - Criticizes Jr. for saying what most fans believe

dpkimmel2001

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So..... Jr was asked a question this past weekend about the competition of today's cars and seems to give an honest response about the current car and the racing in today's NASCAR. Would Bagman & Pete be quite as critical about the message delivered had it been, say, Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon, Mark Martin.....? Probably not. They seem to steer the remarks more towards his struggle with the car rather than the lack of on track competition. Maybe I am way off base but Jr.'s comments seemed to me to be more towards a way of making the racing better for the fan. Most everyone on this board has echoed the same ideas here.

Question and response here.....

WHAT WERE YOU GETTING AT WITH RECENT COMMENTS ABOUT NASCAR ENGINEERS COULD DO MORE TO MAKE THESE CARS COMPETITIVE? "I just think, that everyone needs to&, what I am getting at is I think we need to open our eyes a little bit, everyone. I think media could address it a little stronger. I think that the drivers could be a little more vocal about it. I think NASCAR could probably be a little more urgent in improving our product. With the ultimate result is great, exciting racing that the fans will enjoy. That the drivers enjoy and so everyone is happy. That should be our quest always, even when things are good. I feel like especially right now, we need to really, really try to turn over every stone. That includes where we are with this COT and where we feel like its development is. And where we feel like its future goes and where we feel like this car goes; how it evolves. I just have a sense of urgency over the last couple of weeks I guess to see if we can't do better. I feel like, I just remember how the other cars drove. I liked how they drove and I like how this car is safe but I want to be able to race it like we raced the other cars. NASCAR is open to all of the drivers. I was just asked a question and gave an answer. I'm not trying to start a crusade against nobody or cause anybody problems. We all, I think, the drivers, myself included, we all work together with NASCAR to do this. I am just trying to remind everyone of the optimal goal and prize for us is to have better racing. Even when things are good, we shouldn't rest on any success we may be having. We are not really where we want to be, I don't think, as a sport. We need to do thinks to excite corporate America. Excite the fans. We need to get proactive immediately to make that happen."
 

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I saw nothing wrong with Jr's comments.

I only listened to the 3rd hr of the show. I don't know why Mike & Pete thought Jr could have won the race. His pit schedule was off from the leaders but he made that up when he got fresh tires on that last pit stop :)
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mghtx

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There's no denying the aero problem. Look at JPM at Indy...he couldn't get back to the front. A few races back Jr. had a bad car but came out of the pits first (or stayed out) and then Jr. ran like he had the best car because he was in front with clean air.

Jimmie has talked a LOT of this new car and not being able to pass unless it's in the pits or taking somebody out.

Personally, I still think some of these big tracks have a lot to do with it.

Jr. has said a lot of things on many topics that I agree with.
 

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I am not a Junior fan, but he has got a point. The last couple races I have just been waiting for the results on Nascar.com, the only good racing is during the first couple laps after a restart.
 

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Pete and Mike are shills for Nascar. Every race is a great fantastic race in their eyes and all they do is argue with the callers. They offer no insight or explanation into their opinions other than "Your crazy!", "Your insane!", or "If you dont like it watch something else".There is no way they will ever get into a discussion about the quality of racing with the COT. Look at how Nascar reacted last year when the drivers were making complaints. Indy is a perfect example as was mentioned earlier. No gren flag passes for the lead, the same 2 cars top 2 for 120 laps and the faster JPM car unable to pass a 10th place car of Joey Logano.

This car is a joke on the aero tracks and changes need to be made. Jr isnt talking about how to make his car better, or his car to drive better. Hes talking about how to make all the cars drie better around each other. I agree with Jr 10000% on this subject and am glad somebody with some clout is saying something because god knows the gutless media wont.
 

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Jr isnt talking about how to make his car better, or his car to drive better. Hes talking about how to make all the cars drie better around each other. I agree with Jr 10000% on this subject and am glad somebody with some clout is saying something because god knows the gutless media wont.

Thanks for understanding that the way I do. To only listen to the show, that is not the conclusion that someone would come to. This non-story is being so twisted by TMD it's unbelievable, IMO. The big problem that I have with it is that many people base their opinions on what they hear on that show. It's obvious when you listen to the calls. The hosts @ TMD seem to be basing their opinion about this on the rant that they played from some writer that was on the radio this past weekend. If they took the time to read the transcript or actually listen to what was said, I think they'd have a different outlook. Or..... maybe not.
 

mghtx

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Yeah, I really don't get what's the issue TMD has with what he said.

To me it's a separate issue from his on-track performance.
 

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Pete and Mike are shills for Nascar

I would say that both are employed by NaSCAR but I would go as far as to call the shills :worried:

I will say that after David died, I do think Nate Ryan would have been a better co-host because he's not employed by NaSCAR in any way :)
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I would say that both are employed by NaSCAR but I would go as far as to call the shills :worried:

I will say that after David died, I do think Nate Ryan would have been a better co-host because he's not employed by NaSCAR in any way :)
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I agree about Nate 100%. I said that back in the who should be co-host thread that with Pete I was worried that you would have 2 people employed by Nascar and you would never get an objective opinion show like we had before. And while I hope it will improve in the future, so far it happened as I expected.
 

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Though he doesn’t speak very loudly or emotionally, Dale Earnhardt, Jr. has sent some hard-hitting charges toward NASCAR in recent days. At a media event in Atlanta last Thursday, he not only made highly publicized criticisms of the CoT but also talked in-depth about how races should be shorter and that the Cup Series should not travel twice a year to places like Pocono and Dover — especially if places like Atlanta Motor Speedway are rumored to be losing dates. While these statements were meant as constructive criticisms of NASCAR, Junior also applauded the sport for enacting double-file restarts, saying that drivers now look forward to “phantom debris cautions” many times because they can then make up spots on the track easily. Junior did say, though, that double-file restarts likely will not cure the spreading out of the field at AMS. Hearing Junior speak about more than his poor season was nice, to say the least.

Other than his comment on Dover I agree with Jr. Too bad he isn't running the sport, he's said a lot that I agree with.

http://www.frontstretch.com/dturnbull/26695/
 

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The hosts @ TMD seem to be basing their opinion about this on the rant that they played from some writer that was on the radio this past weekend.

That idiotic rant was ridiculous. Take:

A) An unemployed NASCAR beat writer looking for a job or at least some publicity

B) A lightning-rod subject - Dale Jr., and call him a b!tch

C) Twisted facts and out-of-context quotes

and boom! Controversy and Bob M.'s name attached to it. An artless attempt at self-aggrandization. I'm glad Sirius has backed off from playing the sound bite once an hour. No need to help that wanker.
 
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