The dog training argument

AJ_II

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Do you guys think it's cruel to use physical force to train your dog?

I have to side with DePace on this one. I have two basset hounds that are 3 years old, and when they were still young, I'd lightly smack them when they were doing something wrong, whether it was getting on the furniture, peeing in the house, or whatever. It's not like I'd stand there whaling blows down on them, but a quick smack on the back side and a firm "NO!" like Howard says does the trick.

I'm going crazy listening to yesterday's WUS. Gary says he can take a picture of Scott disciplining his dog and have him arrested. He sounds retarded.
 
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hyson

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Animals are primitive. What does a pup's mother do to correct the pup? It uses physical correction and the pup get's it. The bitch doesn't sit there and have a conversation with the pup.

I think it makes sense to try to use non-physical correction, but if that doesn't work, I see nothing wrong with non-abusive, appropriate physical correction.
 

MAJ Badmotherfarker

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Animals are primitive. What does a pup's mother do to correct the pup? It uses physical correction and the pup get's it. The bitch doesn't sit there and have a conversation with the pup.

I think it makes sense to try to use non-physical correction, but if that doesn't work, I see nothing wrong with non-abusive, appropriate physical correction.

When mother dogs nip at the puppies they're not trying to inflict pain. It's a quick nip with the front teeth. It's a method of asserting dominance.
 

Ehilbert1

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Depends on the degree. With most of the dogs I've had, it's the scaring, not the hitting, that works.

Same here. My family has always had dogs and we trained them great without hitting them. I'm sure if you hit a dog enough he will stop doing whatever is wrong. The thing is dogs will always forgive you for it. They have that unconditional love for their masters. Thats why some people that actually do beat their dogs and not just spank them say........ See my dog still loves me. Ofcourse they do. You feed them and provide a home. I say a spank is ok but not a beating. Not throwing them out the door and not shocking them.

The truth about Scott is he is so set in his ways. He won't change for anyone. Jesus could come down from the heavens and teach him a new way to do something and we still wouldn't do it. If someone disagree he call them liberal. Thats not always true.
 

AJ_II

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When mother dogs nip at the puppies they're not trying to inflict pain. It's a quick nip with the front teeth. It's a method of asserting dominance.

Yeah that's a good way to put it. When I needed to discipline my basset hounds when they were younger, I just used a quick, open-hand slap to the backside. I don't load up or anything, it's all in the wrist. Doesn't hurt them at all, just startles them more than anything.
 
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MAJ Badmotherfarker

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Yeah that's a good way to put it. When I needed to discipline my bassett hounds when they were younger, I just used a quick, open-hand slap to the backside. I don't load up or anything, it's all in the wrist. Doesn't hurt them at all, just startles them more than anything.

I've always felt that a rolled up newspaper is the best because it's loud. You can actually get the same effect by smacking it against your hand rather than the dog. The loud noise scares the hell out of them.
 

robhurlburt

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I've always felt that a rolled up newspaper is the best because it's loud. You can actually get the same effect by smacking it against your hand rather than the dog. The loud noise scares the hell out of them.

Fill a pop can with rocks and shake it. Scares the crap out of them, and a good training tool. Honestly, a little smack is no biggie. My parents used to smack me when i got out of line, big friggin deal.
 

Bark

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The answer is somewhere in between. Training a dog is all about establishing who's the pack leader, you or them.
 

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Fill a pop can with rocks and shake it. Scares the crap out of them, and a good training tool. Honestly, a little smack is no biggie. My parents used to smack me when i got out of line, big friggin deal.

I little smack on a dogs butt isn't going to scar them and I don't find it abusive. I don't condone a beating but if the dog poops in the house and you give it a "NO, BAD" and then a smack, this is fine.

I got spanked as a kid and I don't have any problem with it at all.
 

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Fill a pop can with rocks and shake it. Scares the crap out of them, and a good training tool. Honestly, a little smack is no biggie. My parents used to smack me when i got out of line, big friggin deal.

I have no problem with a quick butt swat. But, again, it's the loud "smack" of an open hand that does the trick. Punching a dog gets you nowhere.
 

beaniemac

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Animals are primitive. What does a pup's mother do to correct the pup? It uses physical correction and the pup get's it. The bitch doesn't sit there and have a conversation with the pup.

I think it makes sense to try to use non-physical correction, but if that doesn't work, I see nothing wrong with non-abusive, appropriate physical correction.

I got no problem with that. I have a dog, and I have hit his nose a couple times. usually his behavior is good, so those times have been few and far between. and he doesn't continue with the bad behavior after those times.

hell, these NY folks don't think its ok to spank a child. sometimes you just need to do it.
 

Bark

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Are you really that pinché mojado, Caesar Milan?

No, but I've seen half a dozen of those shows, so I'll declare myself an expert on the subject. Kinda like Robin and Howard, except that they wouldn't watch any of the shows first. :D