Sponsorship Woes - How Widespread Is It?

dpkimmel2001

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Hendrick Motorsports - Kellogg's and Carquest may not return in their full capacity in 2010.

Roush Racing - Trying to find multiple partners to lessen the load of DeWalt.

How bad are things if these two organizations are starting to scramble? :scratch:

Where's the sponsors?
 

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I think that companies finally realized that Nascar doesn't help sell anything. It benefited RJ Reynolds because it was a way to get Winston and Camel advertised on TV.
 

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I think that companies finally realized that Nascar doesn't help sell anything. It benefited RJ Reynolds because it was a way to get Winston and Camel advertised on TV.

That and they used to give away free cartons at the track. :yesshake:

That was until smoking became taboo. They then cut it down to a ten-pack. Later down to a three-pack and then none. Next thing you know, they were gone completely.
 

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To say that sponsers dont get anything out of Nascar is complete nonsense. In my opinion these teams have to spend less money, and thats all there is to it. How is it F1, a worldwide multi billion dollar racing series can run on 60 million a year, but Nascar needs 26 million per car? Dont feel sorry for these cup owners, im sure theyre doing fine.

You know whats going to get really bad? The Truck series followed by the Nationwide series. The truck series is nearly excitint with only what, 22 trucks that show up to run the whole race? No sponsers, no manufacturer support, Nascar/the tracks dont pay worth a shit for the races. The nationwide series is an absolute joke of a series now, who would want to sponser that trash? Yay Kyle Busch won 17 races in the Nationwide series!!
 

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. The nationwide series is an absolute joke of a series now, who would want to sponser that trash? Yay Kyle Busch won 17 races in the Nationwide series!!

I couldn't agree more. Its gotten WAY worse in the last 5 yrs. It was at least watchable when Boyer and Truex (who were both actualy Busch serise drivers at the time) were fighting for the title. Its gone down hill since then.

Its just a series to see which cup driver can win the most races. NASCAR says the stars put fans in the seats. Really?? Because its a ghost town in the stands when you see them on TV.
What can you do though? Nothing really.
 

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The most exciting Nationwide race is the Daytona race in February when all the Cup Driver race in that race. Quality driver in quality equipment.

The worst Nationwide races are the ones where only 3 cup driver race. More Cup drivers, better races.

I don't drink the Bobby Hamilton Jr. Cool-Aid. Nobody cared about what went on in the Nationwide Series unless the popular Cup drivers raced in the show.
 

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I missed the Bobby Hamilton rant but I've always felt this way. I like seeing the unknown or smaller teams do well. Even 'stars' or near stars like Brad Keslowski running up front in Nationwide rather than Carl or Kyle lapping the field weekly.
 

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I missed the Bobby Hamilton rant but I've always felt this way. I like seeing the unknown or smaller teams do well. Even 'stars' or near stars like Brad Keslowski running up front in Nationwide rather than Carl or Kyle lapping the field weekly.

Did anyone care when Martin Truex Jr. was stomping the field two years in a row? Kyle Busch couldn't beat him in 2004, nor could Carl Edwards in 2005.

What about Kevin Harvick in 2001? People didn't care what happened in the Busch Series until 1998 when Dale Earnhardt Jr. won the first of his two championships.

How many Nationwide champions have gone on to win the Sprint Cup? Bobby Labonte is the most recent one. Success in the Nationwide does not guarantee success in the Cup Series. The best Cup driver don't even have any success in the Nationwide Series. The best Cup drivers limit there Nationwide races.

Smaller teams never have a chance to win. David Gilliland is the only on in recent history. You have a better chance to be a no name and win in the truck series then in the Nationwide Series.

If they do anything to limit Cup drivers in the Nationwide, then they should require Cup drivers to only driver for Nationwide team owners, and not anyone who owns a Cup team. But that's the only thing I'd think would work.
 

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The nationwide series is a joke. It used to be something of a "special event" when there would be a few cup drivers in the field. And by used to by I mean 5 or 6 years ago. Remember in 2003 when they had 5 drivers for the championship at Homestead? All of those Busch regulars and 3 of them went onto cup.

Its disgusting now that its considered an "accomplishment" to win the Nationwide title. Like congratulations, I can go and play 6 year old bantam hockey and win singlehandely too, it doesnt make it great that I won.

Oh and now that cup drivers have come in an dominated the series for 4 years now, no sponsor wants to sponsor a non-cup driver. So hows that working out for the series.

Having cup drivers in select events is fine, but ultimately at the end of the season the series needs its own drivers going for their own championship.
 
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I'm for a nearly complete overhaul of the truck and NW series. Maybe just trucks and cup. And as few superspeedways and 1.5's as possible. More short tracks.

I was a big supporter in the late '90's but barely notice NW anymore.
 

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I think the truck series will have to go that way eventually. It just costs too much to prepare for intermediate tracks and thats money these teams dont have anymore. And also the crowds, the racing, and the purses just dont justify going to California or Mighigan anymore for the trucks.

The Nationwide series is a totally different disscussion. Unfourtunately they need that series in companion events with the cup series to get people to the track so the tracks can make money. Ideally Id like to see 18 companion events and 18 stand alone events. Make some of the stand alone events logistically impossible for a cup guy to get to so at the end of the year you would have a series regular as champion. And most importantly, that series regular would be a fresh face and a name that someone could gravitate to. There is nothing wrong with variety and its something that Nascar is growing away from each year.

Anhother thing I wanted to add is that both series desperately desperately need to goto spec crate motors. The program needs to be designed by Nascar like the CWE and CWW series are. Both series need their purses increased by a million dollars per race. That money can come from title sponsors, Nascar, the tracks, whoever....its not like their losing money.
 
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If you "fix" the Nationwide Series like you want to, you might as well kill it because it'll be dropped so fast by ESPN :worried:
 

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How do you figure that? How will crate motors and only 18 companion events instead of 24 they have now going to get dropped by ESPN? And lets be honest here, they only broadcast the Nationwide race because it was part of the negotiations to get the cup series.
 

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they only broadcast the Nationwide race because it was part of the negotiations to get the cup series.

Yeah, I think if it were up to MOST espn people, they wouldn't give ANY time to nascar. I view espn kind-of like washington, REALLY out of touch with the heart of america.

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How do you figure that? How will crate motors and only 18 companion events instead of 24 they have now going to get dropped by ESPN? And lets be honest here, they only broadcast the Nationwide race because it was part of the negotiations to get the cup series.

Hmm, yes. ESPN is really gonna wanta broadcast the ARCA Series :rolleyes:
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Yeah, I think if it were up to MOST espn people, they wouldn't give ANY time to nascar. I view espn kind-of like washington, REALLY out of touch with the heart of america.

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Well semi's comment made no sense whatsoever, I think though that ESPN just wanted the cup series. Its the money series that advertisers pay for. I also think to have the cup series, they had to take the nationwide series. And ESPN is contractually bound to cover the NW series until 2014, so they couldnt just drop it ifthere were less companion events.
 

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Well semi's comment made no sense whatsoever, I think though that ESPN just wanted the cup series. Its the money series that advertisers pay for. I also think to have the cup series, they had to take the nationwide series. And ESPN is contractually bound to cover the NW series until 2014, so they couldnt just drop it ifthere were less companion events.

Would you agree that other than the Indianapolis 500, most people don't watch the IRL? The NNS get more viewers then the IRL on any give weekend. Why is that? Not because the racing's better :eight:

It's because people like to watch there favorite Cup Driver race in the NNS :)

ESPN knows that they receive more advertising money on NNS Races than they do on IRL races, otherwise, why did the decide to broadcast the series all season long? :scratch:

Before 2001, I did care a lick about the Busch Series. If I stumbled on a Busch race, I might watch it, but for the most part, who cares, unless Darrell or Dale, or Mark, or Jeff decided to race that day.
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