O&A out at 92.3 K-Rock, NYC

Ehilbert1

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Hey there, I actually tried to listen to these guys a little last week and some today. I'm sorry,but I just don't get it. I can see why they lost all their other stations and why they lost their last. I'm really not trying to be a dick. I gave them a shot and it just sounded bad. I always heard that they were trying to imitate other "shock jocks" and now I see those people were right. To each his own I guess. I will admit they are better than Ron & Fez. That show is fucking train wreck. I have no idea how those guys have jobs. Anyway I do admire you guys for staying with the titanic.
 

Ifandorbut

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Well, they were right...it was about the economy...partly. If they had ever delivered killer ratings in the New York market they could have held onto their flagship FM station...as it is, that station will be the last peg to fall. It took a little over three years, but it happened.
 

Ifandorbut

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Please tell me how you equate the economy with ratings? Revenue with ratings maybe, but people don't stop listening to the radio when the economy is in the tank.

They are relatively high priced talent. They're absolutely high priced talent when stacked up against the CD's that will taking their place. The station is paying a high price for mediocre to shit ratings. It's economics, plain and simple.

But like I said originally, if they were able to ever deliver the huge ratings, or just top five in their time slot, they would still have jobs on FM radio. That's why they are partly to blame. A couple of years ago companies were more willing to throw their ad dollars around to many different radio stations. With the economy taking a dump, companies have to be more frugal with how their ad dollars are being spent. It just stopped making sense to throw good money after bad ratings.

It's all part of the mix.
 

ProperModulation

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They are relatively high priced talent. They're absolutely high priced talent when stacked up against the CD's that will taking their place. The station is paying a high price for mediocre to shit ratings. It's economics, plain and simple.

But like I said originally, if they were able to ever deliver the huge ratings, or just top five in their time slot, they would still have jobs on FM radio. That's why they are partly to blame. A couple of years ago companies were more willing to throw their ad dollars around to many different radio stations. With the economy taking a dump, companies have to be more frugal with how their ad dollars are being spent. It just stopped making sense to throw good money after bad ratings.

It's all part of the mix.

yup. the more you earn, the higher the ratings you need to obtain to survive. it's getting harder for radio talent to compete with a jockless music format which requires only minimal ratings to be economically viable. I'm not an OnA fan, but it does suck to see that FM talk shows are a dying breed. Sooner or later they'll get around to canceling the ones that you like.
 

goreds2

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OH H.....EYE OH
But like I said originally, if they were able to ever deliver the huge ratings, or just top five in their time slot, they would still have jobs on FM radio.

O & A called their boss yesterday and said they were in the TOP 3.

What a funny show yesterday. The studio is basically stripped. Opie sooo much wanted to rip the monitor off the wall. We shall see if they are on this morning.
 

almaniac27

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KLSX in Los Angeles was number 1 in their target demographic and CBS still killed off the entire station. It's just so much cheaper to have an automated station even with mediocre ratings, which I'm sure is all the new WXRK can hope for. This is happening all across the country nowadays. See all the Clear Channel owned sports stations like KLSD in San Diego, KLAC in LA, and WDFN in Detroit that have basically no local programming other than play-by-play for local teams.
 

limegrass69

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Yes, Opie and Anthony are a relatively high priced show (relative to music intensive).

The other thing to remember is that they are on a station that is doing so poorly, to a certain extent, they are collateral damage. K-Rock would not have made it past 1999 had it not been for Howard Stern. Stern carried that station for years, and masked what were terrible ratings.

The various rock formats on K-Rock were poorly executed and not commercially viable in NYC. Like I said, that's always been the case but Stern masked that to a large degree.

For the right price, I think Opie and Anthony are a good fit for satellite radio. I am not sure that they have enough "stuff" to support their own 24/7 channel, but that's another story. I hope they do better now that they are XM only...which hopefully benefits satellite radio.
 
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Hey there, I actually tried to listen to these guys a little last week and some today. I'm sorry,but I just don't get it. I can see why they lost all their other stations and why they lost their last. I'm really not trying to be a dick. I gave them a shot and it just sounded bad. I always heard that they were trying to imitate other "shock jocks" and now I see those people were right. To each his own I guess. I will admit they are better than Ron & Fez. That show is fucking train wreck. I have no idea how those guys have jobs. Anyway I do admire you guys for staying with the titanic.

Maybe you should have picked a week when the show wasn't worried about losing their gig in NYC. How would you act at work knowing that in a week you would be fired.

Go listen to Hoo hoo then. :blah:
 

J3ff

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All I have to say is "haha"

After listening to countless things said by their fans about how they are going to ROCK the fm world, to watch this is pure hilarity. Sux that they are losing their jobs at fm, but at least finally they have seen YOU CANT COPY THE KING BABY!`
 

kryptonite

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If there's a show that i'm paying for AND it's on a free service at the same time, i'm going to listen to the pay version of the show.

I'm sure that a lot of XM'ers who COULD have listened to the show via FM radio CHOSE to listen to the show through XM, instead of helping their FM ratings.

Suppose there were people that stumbled across the show via FM radio and didn't know what XM was. If they liked the FM version of the show, i'd imagine that it would only be a matter of time before they bought into XM. This was probably the case even as far back as this story goes.

Long story short, I wonder if XM was partially responsible for what went down. Suppose O&A weren't on XM, but only available through FM. The way I see things, that would have meant nothing but better FM ratings.

Both shows can peacefully co-exist. The mistake that FM radio made was that they tried to REPLACE Howard, and not just in NYC either. When Michael Jordan left Chicago, did the Bulls try to replace him? No, they had to think fresh and start new. FM didn't do that, and now they're paying the price. The bosses at FM should have thought something like.. "We'll probably not see Howard-like ratings for a while. Let's start small, and build into something big." I don't think they did that.
 

TheScionicMan

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I'm sure that a lot of XM'ers who COULD have listened to the show via FM radio CHOSE to listen to the show through XM, instead of helping their FM ratings.

Suppose there were people that stumbled across the show via FM radio and didn't know what XM was. If they liked the FM version of the show, i'd imagine that it would only be a matter of time before they bought into XM. This was probably the case even as far back as this story goes.

Long story short, I wonder if XM was partially responsible for what went down. Suppose O&A weren't on XM, but only available through FM. The way I see things, that would have meant nothing but better FM ratings.

It's more likely an indicator of their overall listenership, IMO. Unless you had a ratings book to fill out or a PPM, you DON'T count in the ratings. And I'm assuming even the pppests are smart enough to know how to game that system if they had one...

It can go the other way too. If someone tunes into the FM show (when it existed) and goes "WTF is this crap?", it could turn them off of Sirius XM.