DAB you cant seem to understand apple is a love/hate thing for me, they do so much right and so much wrong at the same time. In a perfect world Woz would have stayed, and apple would be number one. and id be the biggest fanboy ever.
as for my friends choice thats their problem, I learned to avoid the iphod from their experiences.And got a PDA that came with two batteries and cut and paste out of the box.(plus free upgrades and a matte screen !)
If the g1 wasn't limited by artists, i would donate the itouch, but its how I listen to slacker in the kitchen...if that damn wifi would work right, i could use it around the whole house. (still need to try your suggestion of wiping it)
The shuffle v2 my daughter got, is a perfect example of apple gone wacky,you cant charge it and listen to music at the same time...WTF? who thought that was a good feature?
Xan, I am sorry man I just don't buy the bull shit you are selling okay! It is simple as that! ( I don't mean to come off as rude to you in this) I have used Mac's and iPod's and most of your stuff is nothing but principle based nonsense based on the fact that you think it should do this or you think it should do that. Name me one company that does every single thing right? Yet you seem to think Apple should and since they don't you target them.
All I ever see you post is negative shit, so I don't see any love at all. But hey how about this. Let those us that want to and enjoy Apple products do so and discuss them, without you coming into the thread and posting all your negative stuff that none of us care about?
I think it is fantastic that you found a device that works for you, that is what we've all done we made a choice. Myself I am a huge advocate of choice and even though for the most part Apple owns the MP3 player market, I am glad there are other brands out there that work for other folks. Matte screens, 2 batteries, sd slots those things just aren't that important to most folks as indicated by Apple's sales vs those devices that do support them. If those things are important to you clearly the Mac isn't the proper choice. This does not mean that Apple is this horrible, horrible company that you like to paint them to be. I don't care for their protectionist ways, but that is well within their right do be if they want too.
You've not convinced me one bit with all this, no more than I am going to convince you that all this principle stuff you keep yapping about means shit to anyone but you!
It seems you expect total perfection from Apple, yet give so many other devices a total pass because I never see you going after any of these other companies, just Apple. Do you honestly think The shuffle v2 was the first and/or only one of these devices that don't let you listen while it is charging? I had a San Disk player that was the same way. Again we can nitpick, nitpick, nitpick, but it makes no sense to do so in every freaking iPod or Mac thread like you do. I think we've got your point of view now. The rest of us just want to have a discussion related to the topic without it getting pulled of course with all this anti Apple bull shit.
Hey you found a device that works great for you! I am happy for you! Now can you just be happy that the iPod/iPhone or Mac computer provides the same for us and leave the rest alone? Reality is I don't care what you think about these devices, I didn't buy it for you to use, I bought it for me and I am happy with my choice just like you claim you are. So why jump into every thread and tell us everything you deem as bad or negative about our choice?