Mac OS X 10.5.8 Update Released

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I'm sure most of you have already gotten this update, but for those who never check their Software Updates on a regular basis (you know who you are, and you should be ashamed of yourself!! :jj: )

From Apple Support:

What's included in this update:

  • Upgrades Safari to version 4.0.2.
  • Improves the accuracy of full history search in Safari 4.
  • Resolves an issue in which certain resolutions might not appear in the Display pane in System Preferences.
  • Dragging an Aperture image into Automator now invokes an Aperture action instead of incorrectly invoking an iPhoto action.
  • Resolves an issue that could prevent importing of large photo and movie files from digital cameras.
  • Improves overall Bluetooth reliability with external devices, USB webcams and printers.
  • Addresses an issue that could cause extended startup times.
  • Improves iCal reliability with MobileMe Sync and CalDav.
  • Addresses data reliability issues with iDisk and MobileMe.
  • Improves overall reliability with AFP.
  • Improves overall reliability with Managed Client.
  • Improves compatibility and reliability for joining AirPort networks.
  • Improves Sync Service reliability.
  • Includes additional RAW image support for several third-party cameras.
  • Improves compatibility with some external USB hard drives.
  • Includes latest security fixes.

...and yes, Safari is snappier! :p
 

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Thanks, I did see this today when I was setting up my Mac Mini, but never took the time to read what all it addressed. Nice little update for sure!
 

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DL last night. Everything fine. Not sure if related, but my MacBook is running cooler.

Good here, too, on the new MacBook Pro. But then, I haven't really had too much time to muck up 10.5.7 on it ;-)
 

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DL last night. Everything fine. Not sure if related, but my MacBook is running cooler.

I'll have to test that out, I found my MacBook Pro was heating up pretty good when doing some DRM stripping on some music files which is rather processor intensive. I was really rather shocked how warm it got. I'll have to try it gain with the new update.
 

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DAB- Mac notebooks use the whole case as a heatsink, so they feel hotter to the touch, but the chip sets actually run cooler than plastic windoze lappys.

There are so many features I like about macs, and so many I hate.
I still cant see how you guys deal with that big click button touch pad, even after using one for 5 days its maddening.
 

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I'll have to test that out, I found my MacBook Pro was heating up pretty good when doing some DRM stripping on some music files which is rather processor intensive. I was really rather shocked how warm it got. I'll have to try it gain with the new update.

I was running at 155 to 170 F most of the time (never cooler) before the update and now seeing 125 to 135 F most of the time.
 

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I still cant see how you guys deal with that big click button touch pad, even after using one for 5 days its maddening.

Not to hijack, but....

I still am getting used to mine after 6 weeks. While online I still sometimes touch the pad with two fingers and I magnify the page I'm on. Then I have to pinch to get it back to normal.
 

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DAB- Mac notebooks use the whole case as a heatsink, so they feel hotter to the touch, but the chip sets actually run cooler than plastic windoze lappys.

There are so many features I like about macs, and so many I hate.
I still cant see how you guys deal with that big click button touch pad, even after using one for 5 days its maddening.

Yeah that is true I always forget about the fact that the case is aluminum so it makes for a good heatsink for sure. The heat really doesn't bother me as I figured it was normal. I also find that it runs much warmer when using Bootcamp and Windows 7, but then I've not stayed in Windows 7 long enough to see if it eventually cools down. LOL

I was running at 155 to 170 F most of the time (never cooler) before the update and now seeing 125 to 135 F most of the time.

Thanks Rich what are you using to get your temps if you don't mind me asking?
Not to hijack, but....

I still am getting used to mine after 6 weeks. While online I still sometimes touch the pad with two fingers and I magnify the page I'm on. Then I have to pinch to get it back to normal.

HiJack away!!! I love talking about this stuff...

I really had NO issues getting use to the trackpad, I find it works GREAT compared to most PC's. I've bought and tested out so, so many Netbooks and Notebooks over the last year and I hated the freaking trackpads on all of them in all honesty.

There are things like the pinch that certainly take some getting use too, but the clicking of the whole trackpad is a piece of cake, now I have found that the mouse pointer does tend to drift when doing that, so I eventually enabled tap and so I rarely have to actually use that hard click of the trackpad.
 

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Not to hijack, but....

I still am getting used to mine after 6 weeks. While online I still sometimes touch the pad with two fingers and I magnify the page I'm on. Then I have to pinch to get it back to normal.



Not trying to hijack either, but the touch pad is what I love the most about my MacBook. I can't explain the gestures to new users, but my fingers know what to do without me thinking about it. You should see me working with Google Earth, HotMaps Explorer and iPhoto all at the time searching the different years and shorelines of fishing lakes. People are wanting to pay me for my fishing maps I create from GE. There is no way I will give up my research on fishing spots, :lolsign:
 

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Don't get me wrong, I love the track pad, too. :)

There's no need for a mouse anymore.

I love my MBP, too. :bow:
 

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My eeepc touch pad has 3 finger swipe, pinch,rotate,2 finger scroll and all that, but still the mac was just impossible to get used to.
While I love th Mac OS and the machines build, the glossy screen and clicking touch pad were total deal breakers. (plus im bitter at mac for constantly buying innovations and shelving them so consumers cant get them -but thats a big hijack)
I sure would love to have a mac type mag-safe power cord on my netbook tho- shoot id love that type of connector for everything!
 

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Don't get me wrong, I love the track pad, too. :)

There's no need for a mouse anymore.

I love my MBP, too. :bow:

I agree with you there the track or touch pad is so good that you do not need a mouse and in fact when I bought the Apple Mighty Mouse I discovered I was not even using it, so it was returned. I then got a RocketFish look alike which I use with my Mac Mini (mouse required) LOL!

My eeepc touch pad has 3 finger swipe, pinch,rotate,2 finger scroll and all that, but still the mac was just impossible to get used to.
While I love th Mac OS and the machines build, the glossy screen and clicking touch pad were total deal breakers.

Yeah some of the ASUS Notebooks and Netbooks come with a multi-touch track pad and the darn thing is too small to really make it usable. Good idea, poor implementation, which it seems ASUS is famous for these days. I purchased many of their Netbooks and Notebooks, but it just always seem to be something with them. Keys in the wrong place on the keyboard and undersized trackpad.

The glossy screen and trackpad are two of my favorite aspects of the MBP. I have no issues with the glossy display and personally find that unless you will be using your computer outside or in an area where there are really bright overhead lights and glossy display with these bright LED panels are a moot issue. In fact I recently replaced my old HP 19" matte display at home for a glossy AOC 22" and I've yet to have anyone that's looked at it not say.. wow that thing is beautiful. Glossy vs Matte is a whole other topic though so we'll leave that alone. The multi-touch pad is by far the most easy I've ever used. If you don't like that the whole pad clicks then just enable tap. I love the fact that it is so easily adjusted for sensitivity for each individual user.

However it sounds to me like you've just got a bone with Apple, because nothing you've mentioned in regards to these products use isn't easily overcome with a very minimal amount of effort! I better watch myself or I may take Jon's place as the resident Mac Fan boy... Nah... not my thing! hehehe...
 

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However it sounds to me like you've just got a bone with Apple, because nothing you've mentioned in regards to these products use isn't easily overcome with a very minimal amount of effort! I better watch myself or I may take Jon's place as the resident Mac Fan boy... Nah... not my thing! hehehe...
You say that but, then rule out matte as a factor. :confused:thats number one for me. I was really looking forward to buying a mac for a lot of reasons till i found out matte option was gone. my place is all windows with tons of light and i use my portable (gasp!) outside a lot.

Not to flog that dead horse but Ive bought two glossy laptops now and returned them both. they seem fine in the store but are completely impossible to read at home during the day or outside in sunlight. - really DAB, ive tried hard to go glossy, but it just aint happening for me.

I didn't know you could disable the clicky pad, that would help. does it then work like a normal pc touch pad with tap/double tap? i'lll have to tell my friend who's MBP I was using, he'll be stoked to fix that "feature".

on size , I cherish mobility and battery life second after screen type. 7-8+ hours battery with wifi on has changed my whole outlook on what a portable computer should be.

if the 10" is too small, eeepc also now has an 11.6 " model now for 429$.
and the keyboard arrow/shift key issue was fixed a while ago.
 

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Clearly for some folks depending on their situation I suppose a matte would be necessary. However, all I seem to read from folks is how horrid these glossy displays are. In fact I was initially just totally against them based on what I kept reading about them. Finally when I got my Samsung N120 Netbook (glossy display), I was like WTF is all the fuss about, everywhere I used it (home, office, starbucks, mcdonalds, various locations where I have clinics, hotel rooms and meeting rooms the glossy display was not an issue. I've since taken my MBP to most of those locations and again the screen is so bright I just have no issues with it. If I sit and look at a dark screen I can see my reflection, but when it is on and in use I do not. No doubt we all have different likes and different needs, but I just feel that the issue with glossy displays is really overblown. I think the vivid colors and really dark crisp text out weight any reflective issues for me. I do understand though they are not for everyone. It seems that more and more of these computer makers are going to the glossy too so apparently there has to a bunch of us that like them. LOL

The 10" netbook displays are small and the scrolling always drove me nuts. I loved my Samsung N120 I think it is the best Netbook on the market. I found I was able to use it for almost anything I wanted. The real weakness of the current line of netbooks is the poor video and weak processor. While I never found it limiting in terms of the things I do day in and day out, I did find watching youtube videos or higher quality content nearly impossible. I just found myself getting frustrated because I be on a web site that referred me to a video and it would stop and start or the lag so bad that it was just not worth it. I see now they are coming out with ION Nvidia chipsets, but I still think the bottleneck is the Atom processor, but any improvement is certainly welcome.

It has been so great being able to view HD content with no lagging or freezing up. Plus having a computer that I can within a minute be in Windows 7 or Mac OS X. This has proven to be a great experience. I am pretty much had my fill of Netbooks (Acer, Asus, HP, Samsung) at this point thanks to my MBP. Thin, Light and easy to carry around, in fact it is not more trouble to carry around than my netbook. My Sammy got about 7 hours and right now my MBP is getting just a tad bit under that, I'd say around 6.5 hours, which rocks for a 13.3" display.

Yeah the tap rather than click works great! There are many things like that I've been learning from using it daily. Mac seems to use a lot of keyboard shortcuts for many things and I am getting into that too.