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kingchuck69

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If 92.3 goes CHR, there's a few things worth thinking about:

*Opie and Anthony will be down to one affiliate: 96X in Norfolk. That's unless CBS allows O&A to stick with the new format.

*New York's rock choices will be limited to Q104 and WRXP. Bands such as Tool, Slipknot and Metallica will be homeless in the Big Apple, but judging by KRock's ratings, it don't matter.
 

Jon

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Don't O&A Originate from K-Rock for the Non-XM Morning show? Unless they started doing it from XM Studios, they'd be down to one show.

Everyone keeps talking about this big metal resurgence but I'm not seeing it. Judging by the ratings of most Metal stations in the major markets it's not happening, or it died off very quickly.

Someone's going to bring back Country to NYC before too long.
 

kingchuck69

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Don't O&A Originate from K-Rock for the Non-XM Morning show? Unless they started doing it from XM Studios, they'd be down to one show.

Everyone keeps talking about this big metal resurgence but I'm not seeing it. Judging by the ratings of most Metal stations in the major markets it's not happening, or it died off very quickly.

Someone's going to bring back Country to NYC before too long.

New York's a weird radio market, especially when it comes to white-bread formats like rock and country.

New York hasn't had a country station since the early 1990's, not counting suburban rimshooters. The last country outlet, WYNY signed off due to poor ratings.

Rock and New York are an unusual breed. WNEW died a painful death, and the idiots at CBS didn't give K-Rock a chance post-Stern. They turned it into Free FM and when they brought K-Rock back, it was too late.

Rock-wise, Q104 is kicking ass with a 3.9 while K-Rock has a 1.5 and WRXP has a 1.2. New York clearly can't support three rock stations.

As for 'metal' stations, Jon, you mean Active Rock, right? Different format, but, many of these stations are doing quite well. Even WKLQ here in Grand Rapids - which screwed over Stern fans many years ago - is seeing a resurgence in ratings thanks to a heavier tweak in their music.

Then again, what works in Peoria won't work in New York. AC, Top 40, Oldies, News, Spanish, Rhythmic AC, Classic Rock and Urban AC do quite well in the Big Apple.
 

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New York's a weird radio market, especially when it comes to white-bread formats like rock and country.

New York hasn't had a country station since the early 1990's, not counting suburban rimshooters. The last country outlet, WYNY signed off due to poor ratings.

Rock and New York are an unusual breed. WNEW died a painful death, and the idiots at CBS didn't give K-Rock a chance post-Stern. They turned it into Free FM and when they brought K-Rock back, it was too late.

Rock-wise, Q104 is kicking ass with a 3.9 while K-Rock has a 1.5 and WRXP has a 1.2. New York clearly can't support three rock stations.

As for 'metal' stations, Jon, you mean Active Rock, right? Different format, but, many of these stations are doing quite well. Even WKLQ here in Grand Rapids - which screwed over Stern fans many years ago - is seeing a resurgence in ratings thanks to a heavier tweak in their music.

Then again, what works in Peoria won't work in New York. AC, Top 40, Oldies, News, Spanish, Rhythmic AC, Classic Rock and Urban AC do quite well in the Big Apple.

yes, 'Active Rock' was the term I'm looking for. There is one Active Rock station locally, and it's been down in the ratings for years, but it's still there because it's the only one, and it's a heritage station. Even country music is going downhill here, when it was at the top for years. The #1 station was a Lite Rock station, and Mexico Music wasn't far behind (and I don't use that term disparagingly). What you are seeing is the most popular formats for the 'older' generation 40+ since they're the ones still listening to terrestrial radio. While the 35 and under crowd have moved on to iPods and Internet radio.
 

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"Active Rock" "Alt. Rock" "Mainstream Rock" or whatever you want to call them are not viable formats in the NY market. "Rock" as a musical format has become way too niched. There was nothing CBS could have done to 'save' WNEW or K-Rock. CBS knew it, and that's why you've seen them struggle for years trying to get something to work on 92.3 and 102.7. 92.3 rode Stern's coat tails for a long time, and bad as it was, 102.7 would have fared worse had it stayed with rock. Rhythmic based formats tend to be better performers around here.

If CBS kills K-Rock and does CHR, it causes problems for Fresh. CHR's tend to attract more females than males, and that's Fresh's target. The reality is that CBS could gradually transition Fresh into more of a CHR station. They could even daypart the station to mellow it out a little during the work day, and get a little hotter outside office hours. That still leaves K-Rock in flux, and they need to do something there soon. I don't see Opie and Anthony as part of a long-term plan there.

WCBS-FM (101.1) had different problems. Their audience was aging and thus, not very attractive to most advertisers. That's why they tried Jack-FM. The format was the right idea, but poorly executed. They programmed it with too much of an 80s rock lean, and the format never took. The way they disposed of the Oldies format also left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth. The fact of the matter however, is that the music has to get a little more current to stay within the money demo. The CBS FM stations in NY have problems.
 

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I do wonder how long it will be before CBS gets out of the radio business completely. They've already sold off all their Denver stations (KOOL-105 (Oldies), Mix 100 (Ever-Changing format, currently 80's, 90's and now), and The Wolf (New Country). In fact there are quite a few companies getting out of Denver, Emmis was the last one before that, and I'm not entirely sure a company like Clear Channel isn't far behind.
 

limegrass69

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It seems like the big boys (CBS, Clear Channel) are more interested in building fewer larger clusters. In some cases where CBS or Clear Channel spins off, they swap for other properties in markets where they might have a presence.
 

Jleimer

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This is why testicular radio will continue to suck because they dont know what the hell to do with their stations.
 

Jgatie

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Alan "What Are You" Sniffen aka The Radio Dentist has picked up the story. Says O&A on terrestrial are history and will be sat only. Poor bbbboys, we hardly knew ye. :2funny:

K-Rock, O+A, Fresh and Amp Radio



Here's my favorite post:

They will be at satellite radio until.... They P off Mel Karmazin, Scott Greenstein, or Howard Stern. Then O&A will be unemployed or doing a podcast from Anthony's basement.
:rofl:
 

Jgatie

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Don't worry, the dentist will delete the post shortly.

He only like pro-Imus and anti-satellite radio posts over there.

Yeah, he's as anti-Howard as they come. The guy pulls more posts than he does teeth, which is why when you see a good anti-O&A rant, you have to hurry up and quote it.