they are so outta touch. artie has a blackberry and only knows how to text......no one knows about blackberry messenger, and they almost all have blackberry. then howard thinks that the iphone can't do lotus notes email. lets be real. iphone can do damn near any email type. its not the # 1 phone for nothing. my wife has a palm centro phone, and that sh*t sucks balls compared to a iphone or blackberry.