Bud Shootout Thoughts...

dpkimmel2001

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Well..... It is the next race! :yesshake:

Personally, I think the change from the previous pole winners to the top 6 in owner points from each manufacturer sucks.

I do like that they increased the length from 70 to 75 laps. More racing can't be a bad thing!

I also like the 'two segment' idea but I'd rather see it be a 50-25 split rather than 25-50. I think that a shorter segment at the end would produce better racing or at the very least, more drama.

What do you think? :scratch:
 

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Well..... It is the next race! :yesshake:

Personally, I think the change from the previous pole winners to the top 6 in owner points from each manufacturer sucks.

I do like that they increased the length from 70 to 75 laps. More racing can't be a bad thing!

I also like the 'two segment' idea but I'd rather see it be a 50-25 split rather than 25-50. I think that a shorter segment at the end would produce better racing or at the very least, more drama.

What do you think? :scratch:
I couldn't agree more.
The top from each make of car sucks. Might as well be the top 35.
 

StoneCutter

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I kind of thought that it wasn't broke before. Ya know? I'll miss the old format. Going to 75 laps was okay, though.
 

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Well..... It is the next race! :yesshake:

Personally, I think the change from the previous pole winners to the top 6 in owner points from each manufacturer sucks.



What do you think? :scratch:
I don't think Budweiser wants to reward the "Coors Light Pole Winner" in their race. That being said, the new format sucks, well the format has really sucked since they changed it from a 20 lap sprint race to what it has become today.
 

dpkimmel2001

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Only a couple of weeks away and I'm more confused than when I started this thread a while back. This used to be so simple.... Win a pole, race in the shootout. I know that it's the Bud Shootout & that it's the Coors Light Pole award. Budweiser can do whatever they want as the sponsor of the race but heck, this starting field wasn't even determined at the conclusion of the 08 season. We had to wait until we see who signed with who, who decides to drive what manufacturer, & whether or not they decided to change the rules to let in more of the drivers, (The Tony Stewart Rule).
 

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Old But shootout rules: Win a pole? you're in. Past race champion? You're in.

New Bud shootout rules: Top 6 cars from each manufacuturer plus one 'wildcard' for each. The rules for the wild card are as follows:

• Any owner outside of the top six in year end 2008 owners’ points whose driver is a past NASCAR Sprint Cup Series champion that attempted to qualify for all of the 2008 events (only one position will be filled per manufacturer and will be based on the most recent past champion per manufacturer).
• If an owner/manufacturer does not have a past champion driver, the next highest eligible owner outside the top six in year end 2008 owners’ points from each manufacturer will be eligible to compete in the event.


NASCAR has never heard the phrase "Keep It Simple, Stupid" have they?
 

dpkimmel2001

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Old But shootout rules: Win a pole? you're in. Past race champion? You're in.

New Bud shootout rules: Top 6 cars from each manufacuturer plus one 'wildcard' for each. The rules for the wild card are as follows:

• Any owner outside of the top six in year end 2008 owners’ points whose driver is a past NASCAR Sprint Cup Series champion that attempted to qualify for all of the 2008 events (only one position will be filled per manufacturer and will be based on the most recent past champion per manufacturer).
• If an owner/manufacturer does not have a past champion driver, the next highest eligible owner outside the top six in year end 2008 owners’ points from each manufacturer will be eligible to compete in the event.


NASCAR has never heard the phrase "Keep It Simple, Stupid" have they?
Thanks for the info.....

I think I'd rather be watching the Coors Light Shootout instead though.
 

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I think NASCAR & ISC dropped the ball when they did pair the Pole Award with the Shootout...:worried:

If you want to sponsor the pole award, then you need to sponsor the shootout. I know that the pole award is a NASCAR poperty, but ISC & NASCAR are sister companies.

Have you noticed that even when someone wins the pole, they get a little flag that says Pole Award. Doesn't say Coors on it or anything...:right:

I think Coors didn't want to buy the sponsorship at the tracks & only wanted to be associated with NASCAR. That allowed Budweiser to buy track sponsorship & keep the Shootout.
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Any format that makes Scott Speed eligible in it and not Mark Martin sucks worse than Brian France.
Now THAT'S some serious sucking. :cool: Can't get much more sucking than that.
 

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If we get lucky maybe we can pick up another race elsewhere being the fans seem to prefer the idea of having a race based on pole winners VS a race or a series of races that get changed yearly so the drivers they prefer can be included . nice thought if nothing else
 

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I think NASCAR & ISC dropped the ball when they did pair the Pole Award with the Shootout...:worried:Posted via Mobile Device
As you accurately explained, the Pole Award is a NASCAR property. The Shootout is an ISC (Daytona International Speedway) property. Budweiser chose to sponsor both programs for many years, and they worked very well together. However, that longevity does not give them lifetime rights to both promotions. Budweiser chose to end its sponsorship of the Pole Award a year ago. That was not NASCAR's decision, or ISC's. In my view, it is unreasonable to use the Coors Light Pole winners to fill the Bud Shootout starting field. It's also unreasonable to expect NASCAR to deny Coors the right to sponsor the Pole Award, simply because used to be sponsored by a competitor.

I can only imagine the flack NASCAR would get from fans if they told a companies, "If you sponsor the Pole Award, you also have to sponsor the Shootout." People would scream bloody murder about one branch of the France family funneling money to the other. And rightly so.

Things change, my friends. Life goes on. Let's just enjoy the race.
 

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As you accurately explained, the Pole Award is a NASCAR property. The Shootout is an ISC (Daytona International Speedway) property. Budweiser chose to sponsor both programs for many years, and they worked very well together. However, that longevity does not give them lifetime rights to both promotions. Budweiser chose to end its sponsorship of the Pole Award a year ago. That was not NASCAR's decision, or ISC's. In my view, it is unreasonable to use the Coors Light Pole winners to fill the Bud Shootout starting field. It's also unreasonable to expect NASCAR to deny Coors the right to sponsor the Pole Award, simply because used to be sponsored by a competitor.

I can only imagine the flack NASCAR would get from fans if they told a companies, "If you sponsor the Pole Award, you also have to sponsor the Shootout." People would scream bloody murder about one branch of the France family funneling money to the other. And rightly so.

Things change, my friends. Life goes on. Let's just enjoy the race.
Thanks for replying, Dave. One of these days I need to call into the show again...:)

IMHO, the average NASCAR Radio Listner is well educated on the goings of NASCAR & ISC. It's the casual listner, or the fan that doesn't listen at all, that scratches there head & wonders why the Coors Pole Winners can't race in the Budweiser Shootout. "Why isn't Front Row Joe in the Bud Shootout?"...:scratch:

As for that funnel money thing, Sprint's sponsorship to NASCAR, I'm sure have provisions in stating that no other cell phone comany can peddle their wares at any race track that holds a Cup Race. I'm sure some of that 70M/yr is going to the ISC Tracks to put up that Sprint signage..;)

Anywho, this isn't the first time a NASCAR Sponsorship conflicted with an ISC Sponsorship. When XM was the "Offical Radio of NASCAR", Sirius was the "Offical Radio of ISC Tracks" & a race at Watkins Glenn...:)
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Wasn't Coke the official of softdrink of Nascar while Pepsi was the official drink of ISC or vice versa?
 

semipenguin

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Wasn't Coke the official of softdrink of Nascar while Pepsi was the official drink of ISC or vice versa?
Coke still is the Official soft drink of NASCAR. Pepsi used to have a sponsorship with ISC, but they let that expire so they could sponsor Jr. with there Amp product...:right:

Remember Pepsi used to sponsor the July race at Daytona until last year when the race became the Coke Zero 400...:)
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Wasn't Coke the official of softdrink of Nascar while Pepsi was the official drink of ISC or vice versa?
NA$CAR is all about double dipping sponsorships. Remember the "Powerade" fiasco in victory lane at several races 2 years ago.

They sign a deal to have one company be the official this or that for NASCAR then sign their competitor to be the official this or that at ISC tracks.