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Old 12-28-2006, 11:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default WiFi and Satellite internet - will it work??

I have had my Stiletto 100 for a week and love it...

That being said, has anyone been successful in connecting to wifi using satellite internet? (I am able to stream from the internet). The unit recognizes and connects to my network no problem, but won't play. I get "connection timed out" messages everytime I try. I have reset the router, turned off all security, turned on mixed mode and turned off mac filtering. I am using a gateway router (rebranded linksys I think). Any thoughts? Thanks for any help in advance.
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Old 12-28-2006, 11:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I have had my Stiletto 100 for a week and love it...

That being said, has anyone been successful in connecting to wifi using satellite internet? (I am able to stream from the internet). The unit recognizes and connects to my network no problem, but won't play. I get "connection timed out" messages everytime I try. I have reset the router, turned off all security, turned on mixed mode and turned off mac filtering. I am using a gateway router (rebranded linksys I think). Any thoughts? Thanks for any help in advance.
Hey Mosley,

First all save your time and effort calling the 'techs' at Sirius for they not only know nothing about routers but little if anything about their own product. I've wasted my time with them on 3 calls and one hand doesn't know what the other one does.
To start with, I couldn't get my 100 to work on my router which is a Netgear (MR814, which means that it's a b mode only). I can see my network and my surrounding neighbors perfectly, but for some still unexplained reason couldn't get on. I turned off the WEP. Never had Mac addressing turned on, and then one tech who knew nothing asked a 'higher up' who suggested opening ports 8000-9000 as a last resort. All of which I did and still nadda.

I started to think this 100 had a fried wifi chip. As a last resort I thought of going to Circuit City and testing mine in store besides their own in their network environment. Before I get to what happened I should tell you that the night before I called yet another clueless tech guy at Sirius. He had no suggestions. When I told him I could see my neighbors networks he said I should try to hop on. One of my neighbors never renamed their network and it's called linksys. The tech told me "don't bother with that as it won't get on that since it's probably a 'G' mode so it won't work".

Now fast forward to Circuit City. I could see their network and successfully log on WHOO HOO. So now I am thinking what's wrong with my network. I found the head tech guy who ran the network at the store and asked him about their network. He told me that it is on a G only Linksys router????
Now I am confused as the Sirius guy (and everyone on this forum seems convinced that it doesn't work on that mode). So I am now on another network (Linksys) and tomorrow when I can access the admin settings I am going to see what this network runs on.

Needless to say the Sirius folks have precious little documentation on the WiFi set up and are quick to blame the router for any problems you may encounter thus shirking their obligation to get you up and running which is total Bullshit.
This is a F*&ing network appliance and they better damn well realize that and learn about networks and router settings so they can properly get their customers who paid ALOT for this unit online.

You call up any computer periphery manufacturer and they will not only tell you everything you need to know about their product but everything else about the network it touches.
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My Stiletto wifi over satellite observations...
Got my S100 2 weeks ago and tried to get wifi working with my linksys in b only mode, ssid on, no mac filters etc. I could connect to router but connection would always time out. my steletto is pingable.
I then enabled the linksys to give out ip's all of the sudden it worked flawlessly! Woo-Hoo!
Problem is i get browsing errors due to Hughesnet's crappy dns servers. I to put it back so I could surf. Now I cannot get wifi to work again even when I go back to linksys as dhcp
Maybe Hughes has blocked the port for Stiletto?

As a side note sirius streaming works via the web but not with My Sirius Studio
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You call up any computer periphery manufacturer and they will not only tell you everything you need to know about their product but everything else about the network it touches.
Wow, that has never been my experience, at least not since the major manufactures began outsourcing 1st level support. Most of them have a strict script that only includes "interoperability" with products made by them. The first thing any ISP does in troubleshooting is to have you disconnect any gateway routing device if not provided by them. And they all point the finger of blame at each other.

I guess I see this more because I do it for a living, supporting over 100 firewalls, Spam filter and VPN appliances on dozens of ISP's.

That being said, Sirius support doesn't understand the radio operation, let alone wireless technology. But we can always dream of a utopia where they actually have a clue.
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I've had a similar experience with my hughesnet sat internet and stiletto. I've always been able to get it to recognize the network, but connections timed out. (I initially thought it was my airport extreme router, but I now think it's the sat internet.) I tested it at another hotspot and it worked fine.
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The Stiletto opens 3 connections to the internet when wifi is started or a channel change occurs:

DNS Port 53 to 216.243.79.10
Unknown Port 8002 to 216.243.79.81
HTTP Port 80 to various addresses

The 216.243.x.x addresses are Zing Systems, the partner that provided the technology in the Stiletto. The HTTP traffic depends on the channel being streamed, and is the only connection that remains open once streaming starts.

The Stiletto seems to prefer the Zing DNS server, but will use other DNS servers if the Zing server is unavailable or blocked. If the DNS is blocked it may take a minute or two to connect, but it will.

It will die a horrible death if port 8002 is blocked, this seems to be the authentication and channel info handshake. If this port is blocked you will see a Channel Unavailable, Invalid Data on your screen.
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The Stiletto opens 3 connections to the internet when wifi is started or a channel change occurs:

DNS Port 53 to 216.243.79.10
Unknown Port 8002 to 216.243.79.81
HTTP Port 80 to various addresses

The 216.243.x.x addresses are Zing Systems, the partner that provided the technology in the Stiletto. The HTTP traffic depends on the channel being streamed, and is the only connection that remains open once streaming starts.

The Stiletto seems to prefer the Zing DNS server, but will use other DNS servers if the Zing server is unavailable or blocked. If the DNS is blocked it may take a minute or two to connect, but it will.

It will die a horrible death if port 8002 is blocked, this seems to be the authentication and channel info handshake. If this port is blocked you will see a Channel Unavailable, Invalid Data on your screen.
Hey VD,

You seem to be quite technically capable.
I have a Netgear MR814 (B only) and hve opened ports 8000-9000 (to my specific IP that my router provides) and I disabled encryption and mac filtering. What else do you recommend? I can get on a Linksys and D-Link in Mixed mode no problem.

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John,

Start with, do I get a valid IP address? On the Sitletto go to settings, wifi, then turn it on. Once connected does it give you an internal address, normally a 192.168.x.x?

Which of the 3 versions of MR814 do you have, and is the firmware up to date.

V1 is silver with a detachable antenna, V2 is silver with a non-removable antenna, V3 is white.

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Default Wifi over Hughesnet

When I first got my SL100 in October the Wifi worked fine with my Linksys router in dual mode over Hughesnet. Since some time in November I have always gotten the "timed out" message when attempting to listen to any music over Wifi. The SL100 logs on to my network and I see the modem status LEDs flashing on the Hughes modem when the SL100 is attempting to get data from Sirius. The SL100 made the latest Sirius Update over Wifi with no problem. I made no changes to my network, just one day the SL100 in Wifi would not receive any channel. Any suggestion would be very helpful. Thanks in advance.
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John,

Start with, do I get a valid IP address? On the Sitletto go to settings, wifi, then turn it on. Once connected does it give you an internal address, normally a 192.168.x.x?

Which of the 3 versions of MR814 do you have, and is the firmware up to date.

V1 is silver with a detachable antenna, V2 is silver with a non-removable antenna, V3 is white.

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Hi Hawk,

I don't get onto my own network at all so it doesn't pick up and IP address. I have version 1 of the MR814. The firmware is not up to date as there are no major improvements that I saw on the firmware updates and I don't want to take the time to copy all my settings and re-enter them.
I know the unit works fine as I got onto the Circuit City Network (Linksys G only mixed mode) and a D-Link (G only mixed mode). Ironically, one would think that in my B only router would be easy to connect to.
I am stumped.
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Thumbs up Disable TurboPage for wi-fi ?

Happy New Year!
I am happy to report my wifi is working again over hughesnet!
I was having browsing troubles and saw the turbo in my hn7000 modem was having issues. after disabling it, I am on and its great!
( thanks dslreports.com forums http://www.dslreports.com/faq/13533)
I think browsing will probly suffer - we'll see.......
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John,

The only other thing you should check is the DHCP server settings, be sure that you are serving addresses, and that the range is enough to support the wired and wireless devices connecting to your router.
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OK, I reset the turbo page to auto (default setting after modem reboot) and the wifi on s100 would only 'time out'.

Re-disabled turbo page now s100 wifi works again.

This may only be an issue on my particular transponder and noc gateway, i'm not sure. But it does work for me !
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The only other thing you should check is the DHCP server settings, be sure that you are serving addresses, and that the range is enough to support the wired and wireless devices connecting to your router.
Yea, thanks anyway.
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You may have to update the firmware.
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