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SIRIUS NASCAR Radio Every Race and Everything In Between. Check out the blogs of two of the hosts: The Morning Drive's David Poole and Sirius Speedway's Dave Moody

 
 
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Old 01-03-2008, 07:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Now some of you may think this is sour grapes, but i left the drivers seat of my own free will, almost. but, has anyone else noticed that the three daily shows are now dominated by MRN, which is owned by ISC, which is controlled by the France family, which btw controls Nascar?

I've been listening to all the shows and at the risk of never working in a nascar related field again, has anyone else noticed that the slant has changed? i mean, now the top 35 is all good, nascar never does anything wrong and they even floated the trial balloon this morning for pay-per-view. as i said in another thread, i'm glad i got out while the gettin' was good!

one of these days i'll reveal what really happend with my departure, but not right now.
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Old 01-03-2008, 07:16 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow John I havent heard anyone of the hosts say they like the top 35, but I dont listen 24/7.. hard to do being in the Navy. However as someone that had a friend that hosted a show on NASCAR radio when it was on brand X. I know that Brand X was worried about what NASCAR thought. John if there is a way to speak on here privately (IM or something) I will tell you his name. I will say this he is now on the air on a local sports talk station in Charlotte.. AM 610 middle of day LOL.. you wouldnt have heard him as he was on when you were broadcasting.
Anyhow I digress as long as wethe fans can speak our minds(and moody allows you too on any topic as long as your not being an idiot) then I dont see it as a problem.. any opinion show will have slants.
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Old 01-04-2008, 04:34 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Now some of you may think this is sour grapes, but i left the drivers seat of my own free will, almost. but, has anyone else noticed that the three daily shows are now dominated by MRN, which is owned by ISC, which is controlled by the France family, which btw controls Nascar?

I've been listening to all the shows and at the risk of never working in a nascar related field again, has anyone else noticed that the slant has changed? i mean, now the top 35 is all good, nascar never does anything wrong and they even floated the trial balloon this morning for pay-per-view. as i said in another thread, i'm glad i got out while the gettin' was good!

one of these days i'll reveal what really happend with my departure, but not right now.

John... John... John... Shame on you. You know better than this! Any you're right, it DOES sound like sour grapes.
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Old 01-04-2008, 06:39 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I want to make sure I understand John here. "...I left the drivers seat of my own free will, almost. But, has anyone else noticed that the three daily shows are now dominated by MRN..."
John, here are a couple of things I've "noticed:"
1. You say you've been listening to all of the shows and noticed the slant has changed. Really? What "changes" have you noticed in me? I've defended the top 35 rule all along, saying maybe that it should be 30 instead, but defended the concept. I still think teams that cheat should be sent home. I still think NASCAR needs to go to double-file restarts. Maybe I didn't get the memo.
2. Pay per view as a trail balloon? Jesus, John. It's January and no cars have been on the track in several weeks. We've been doing four-hour shows every day and we've beaten the top 35 and Dale Jr to Hendrick to death. There hasn't been a new news story in forever and, quite frankly, we needed a topic. Nobody from friggin' NASCAR suggested we talk about that. You know better than that.
3. In another thread, you wrote this:
"One of the things about the industry has that really started to bug me. it used to be that you only had to compete with other broadcasters. now you're competing for jobs with people who never spent any serious time learning how to be a broadcaster. I have no idea who first came up with the idea that print reporters would be a good broadcasting fit. maybe for a quick interview for some of their inside information, but certainly not as a host. Of course some handle it better than others. as someone whose entire career has revolved around broadcasting i would never take a job as a newspaper writer. First of all, it's a different style of writing than broadcast style..."
As the only newspaper reporter currently working as a full-time host on Sirius, I guess that is primarily directed at me. As far as I know, John, you and I have never competed for a job in radio. But if somebody is looking for a radio broadcaster they should hire you. But if somebody is looking to put a person on the air who has knowledge about the sport to share with people who're listening, then I am willing to put myself up against you on that score any time, any place.
4. As for your whole bent toward MRN (and, therefore, NASCAR) "controlling" Sirius, let's be honest with people. The negotiations between Sirius and the Performance Racing Network never really went well. Sirius never carried what used to be the Monday night Benny Parsons show, nor did it ever carry "Pit Reporters." PRN produced your midday show for a year. MRN produced the afternoon show with Dave Moody. Our morning show was done by Sirius and still is. Mike Bagley works for MRN, but are you saying he's not qualified to work on the morning show? I'll fight you on that one. And I will make you and anybody else who's reading this a promise. The day that anybody from NASCAR tries to tell me what I should or should not talk about on the Morning Drive, I will quit this job. That's a promise.
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Old 01-04-2008, 10:29 AM   #5 (permalink)
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WOW David let us know how you really feel. However I do know NASCAR is listening to you all. they did with XM (I have a friend that used to be on the NASCAR channel over there.. u probably know him PM me if you want his name privately) and I guarentee they will with you. I trly belive your show on Speed was canceled due to pressure from NASCAR. Speed said it was ratings but everyone I talked to whether in person or via several nascar realted BB's all said they watched. Your show ws great and told it like is when you were on Pit Bulls. However I think John was referring to one Jenna Fryer who is a HORRIBLE talk show host. She is a great reporter but bad at being a host. Just like CBL was and unfortantely stillk is with XM. God I hope she disappears if the merger gets approved LOL.
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:41 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Wow. At the risk of inserting a few facts into the discussion, it is my understanding that Sirius (not MRN) produces both The Morning Drive and Tradin' Paint. Sirius obviously chose Mike Bagley, Steve Post and Chocolate Myers to serve as talent for those shows; two of whom are obviously "MRN people." My guess is that Sirius made those choices based on the great work Mike, Steve and Chocolate have done on the channel over the last 12 months, and not on what network they happen to work for.

I have no idea what the "real story" of John's departure is, and in all honesty, I couldn't care less. It's none of my business. I prefer simply to thank him for his great work on "The Driver's Seat," and wish him the best of luck in the future. However, I will state very clearly that NOBODY at Sirius or NASCAR has EVER attempted to control what I say on "Sirius Speedway." And John's assertion that he was the lone voice of criticism and dissent on Sirius NASCAR Radio is simply wrong. I have been a critic of the infamous "Top 35 Rule" from Day One, and speak frequently on what I feel to be a simple case of "arranging" instead of "qualifying" on Fridays these days. Anyone who knows anything about my past history with NASCAR knows me to be anything BUT a corporate yes-man, and I'm sad that a professional like John Kernan would stoop to slinging mud at his former co-workers.

But hey, to each his own.

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Old 01-04-2008, 12:46 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I'm sure PRN having many of their shows on XM (Fast Talk & Pit Reporters) the relationship with Sirius (or NASCAR) may have become strained.

That being said, as much as Sirius is paying NASCAR for the rights to the channel, as long as Sirius has no problem with it, I'd think their hosts would be allowed to say whatever they wish.
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:47 PM   #8 (permalink)
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First thing.....

I kind-of knew something was up when Chocolate kept appearing on the air. And when talk was going around here that something was up for the new year, I figured Myers was going to be on a show.

I really am NOT a fan of Myers. It was nice when he first came on the show every now and then. But the more I listened to him, the more I didn't want to listen to him anymore. As I've posted before, Myers seems to like everything Nascar does. And I just get this "feeling", whether it's right or wrong, that "The Driver's Seat" show was pushed out to make room for Myers. And I DO NOT like that! Many great personalities are now not on the air. And it's a shame.

It's in this regard that the Sirius Nascar channel is a lot like Nascar itself. What I mean is.....who do I, as a subscriber, contact at Sirius to voice my displeasure? Both Sirius and Nascar seem to say to the fans, "Here's what we have to offer and sorry, but you don't have a say in the matter".

As to "The Morning Drive", I do NOT get the feeling that Nascar is censoring the show. On the contrary, both Poole and Bagman have strong opinions that many times go against what Nascar pushes. And that's what attracts me to the show.

As to "Sirius Speedway", I think Moody plays it safe more often than not. Sometimes I think it's a technique used to sway a caller, other times I think it's just "sitting on the fence".

I think we all would be naive to think Nascar doesn't attempt to control in some way what is said or written about them. It's BIG BUSINESS and BIG MONEY and, more importantly, BIG EGOS.

However, John, I do remember when you started referring to the Top 35 as "Nascar Welfare". And I remember thinking, "John, be careful".

(Mr. France, PM me if you want to hear what I REALLY think....)
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:49 PM   #9 (permalink)
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BTW, I'll be the second guy out the door (behind Poole) when the Sirius/NASCAR censorship police arrive. That too, is a promise.

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As someone who has zero broadcast experience but knows quality programming when I hear it, I'd like to add a few things that have begun to bother me. Perhaps Mr. Moody, Poole, or Kernan can explan it to me.

1. How does/did Sirius gauge the success of its three primary NASCAR programs? By the amount of call-in traffic? Ad sales?

I still have a real bone to pick with them for dumping the Driver's Seat. There were frequent discussions in other threads here about how much the listeners enjoyed this show. We didn't like that John Kernan wasn't allowed to continue from his new home; and I'm pretty sure, most are disappointed in the departure of Buddy Baker, Ricky Craven, etc. I know I am seriously disappointed in this move.

2. Does the same company own "Tradin' Paint" on Sirius and "Tradin' Paint" on television? If not, isn't that some kind of copyright infrigement?

3. Who can we contact to voice our displeasure? Does anyone care? If not, then the almighty dollar will do the talking when we start cancelling our subscriptions.

And to Sirius, if you must run ads, then how about a few less tattoo removal, get-rich-quick, man-grooming, trucking company ones? You have a pretty varied audience, you know.

/end rant
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Old 01-04-2008, 02:01 PM   #11 (permalink)
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John,

NASCAR told me to tell you that they do not tell me what to say.
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1. How does/did Sirius gauge the success of its three primary NASCAR programs? By the amount of call-in traffic? Ad sales?
Yeah, I want to know too.
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NASCAR told me to tell you that they do not tell me what to say.
LOL. Yeah, we only get the "good stuff".

Hey, it's great to have everybody "here".
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Old 01-04-2008, 03:44 PM   #14 (permalink)
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sorry to upset you guys, but i'm just calling it as i see it. i thought the bagman was going to have a heart attack yesterday when poole mentioned something about the slant the radio broadcasters had to put on things. you defended yourself well mr. bagley, but it got me to thinking and the statement at the top of this post is what i came up with. sorry to ruffle your feathers, but opinions are what they are and as i've said so many times: "in the world of nascar appearance is reality." and from what i've listened to this week that's what i heard. hopefully when i listen next week i'll change my mind. but, it has sparked for interesting debate, hasn't it?

as for who's producing what, where are all of the shows based out of now? is it not the new mrn studios in concord? because i swear i heard both mike and steve say that was their location.

i have no idea what happened with the prn deal but it appears on the surface that they got shafted because i thought rick benjamin was doing a fine job with the co-hosts and the show was entertaining to listen to.

i have no idea how sirius gauges success of the nascar channel. there was a ratings book done back in the spring and if i read the reports correctly the nascar channel does really well.
i think total listenership was about 175,000/week. roughly a third of bubba the love sponge's channel and about a fifth or so of howard's.

have a nice day!
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Old 01-04-2008, 04:11 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Just keep shoveling dirt out of that hole you're digging, John. Since you're such an expert broadcaster, maybe I can help you out with a little reportage. Mike Bagley is doing his part of the Morning Drive out of the MRN studio at the Daytona 500 Experience in Daytona. He lives down there. Steve Post is coming out of the MRN studios at the new headquarters in Concord. I work either at the track or out of my home in Gastonia, NC, on a line Sirius pays for. When Driver's Seat was done, it was produced out of the PRN studio at Lowe's Motor Speedway.
And, since perception is reality, that obviously must mean that you were shilling for Speedway Motorsports during your tenure as host. After all, if Bagley, Post and Moody can't manage to be objective because they're working from MRN facilities, the same is presumably true for you, isn't it?
There is no great mystery about the conversation I had with Bagley on our Thursday show. MRN is no different than the "home" network of professional sports or college sports teams. if you're doing the Miami Dolphins games this year, there's no way you're going to be as incessantly critical of their 1-15 season as you might be if you worked for another team or network. MRN is a lot more objective now than it was 10 years ago, but you're not going to hear Bagley or Joe Moore say a race is boring. They'll talk about how somebody is dominating. But when Mike is on Sirius and Sirius is paying for the studio time and paying his salary, his job is to call it like he sees it. Maybe he doesn't see it like you. I could accuse somebody who calls the top 35 rule "corporate welfare" of pandering to fans who don't understand the sport's economics, who don't realize that provisionals of one nature or the other have always ensured that the sport's stars make races. Or, I could say simply that i disagree.
Don't try to stake out any kind of moral or ethical high ground on me, John. I promise you, that's a battle you won't win.
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