[quote=blyons200;93646]NAZI weren't completely fascist, they were also socialist. It's even in their name: Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party in English. NAZI Germany itself was not strictly Socialist, rather it was a combination of Socialist and Fascist policy.

But technically speaking, Obama has implemented some fascist policies himself. Privately owned business being controlled by government, as in some car companies and banks. Socialism is where the government owns and controls businesses. For example state run health care, like in Canada and the system proposed here are socialist in nature. Government owned and operated.[/quote]

Still wrong.

The car companies cam to bush with their hand out, bush passed the problem on to Obama so he wouldn't have to deal with it. If the US of A is giving out cash, they should have some say in what happens with it. If you were lending cash to a business (a business loan) you would what to have a say in what happens to it.

[quote=blyons200;93656]But I thought Government was the solution to everything? How can average citizens be trusted with weapons that can kill? Just call the police if confronted with an armed assailent.[/quote]

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[quote=blyons200;93646]NAZI weren't completely fascist, they were also socialist. It's even in their name: Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party in English. NAZI Germany itself was not strictly Socialist, rather it was a combination of Socialist and Fascist policy.

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That must explain why I see so many neo-nazis supporting democrats. In fact, when I think of the confederate flag, I think of liberalism.

[quote=blyons200;93613]Like I said, those people are lunitics, and don't represent mainstream and even most radical conservatives.

I think you are exaggerating to the point of ridiculousness above. Besides, I didn't really pay much attention to the McCain campaign. And since when is it my job to denounce what every fringe group says? I don't have the time to keep track of all that, nor the inclination. I was a Bob Barr supporter.[/quote]

first point, you are a conservative. therefore you have some cache with people who think like you do. i never said you did believe what they did. i only said you never said anything to denounce it. big difference. its the same thing with major liberal groups. the group may do something that just is just wrong, like liberal groups endorcing a complete gun ban. if you don't say anything to denounce the groupthink, like not calling the head of the group/campaign and tell them you do not appreciate the message the crowd is very obviously sending, you are endorcing by not saying anything as far as i'm concerned. you can't call what happened at these rallies "fringe". these were happening at the campaign speeches of a candidate of one of the political parties in this country's two-party system, so your arguement has no merit.

second point, you didn't have to be a mccain supporter to let the mccain campaign know that their crowds were growing decidedly more violent and more frenzied. how many times did the mccain campaign tell their supporters that obama is a natural born citizen? how many times did mccain push back that obama was a muslim, a socialist, a fascist etc.? how many times did mccain stop the pushback that he associated regularly with terrorists? all of these are buzzwords to the far right which made up nearly all of those who attended those rallys and mccain did nothing to stop them. it didn't matter if you supported nader, barr, obama, clinton, mckinney or mccain, every reasonable person who followed the race could equally call on the mccain campaign to stop with the extreme right wing rhetoric being generated at these rallies.

[quote=ctkatz;93689]first point, you are a conservative. therefore you have some cache with people who think like you do. i never said you did believe what they did. i only said you never said anything to denounce it. big difference. its the same thing with major liberal groups. the group may do something that just is just wrong, like liberal groups endorcing a complete gun ban. if you don't say anything to denounce the groupthink, like not calling the head of the group/campaign and tell them you do not appreciate the message the crowd is very obviously sending, you are endorcing by not saying anything as far as i'm concerned. you can't call what happened at these rallies "fringe". these were happening at the campaign speeches of a candidate of one of the political parties in this country's two-party system, so your arguement has no merit.

second point, you didn't have to be a mccain supporter to let the mccain campaign know that their crowds were growing decidedly more violent and more frenzied. how many times did the mccain campaign tell their supporters that obama is a natural born citizen? how many times did mccain push back that obama was a muslim, a socialist, a fascist etc.? how many times did mccain stop the pushback that he associated regularly with terrorists? all of these are buzzwords to the far right which made up nearly all of those who attended those rallys and mccain did nothing to stop them. it didn't matter if you supported nader, barr, obama, clinton, mckinney or mccain, every reasonable person who followed the race could equally call on the mccain campaign to stop with the extreme right wing rhetoric being generated at these rallies.[/quote]

It was really Palin driving all this. "Getting back to the base" was simply getting back to the hate/fear exploited by Bush/Rove for years. They frenzy the least intelligent and most irrational in the population. For Blyons, watch this video and tell me that it's not full of xenophobia, ignorance and nationalism. Do you really believe that all these people are reaching the same conclusions independently? This irrational hatred of Obama, based on outright lies (terrorist/muslim/socialist), is fueled by the right wing. They're stirring up an already reactionary population and therefore are responsible when that population reacts violently:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E]YouTube - The McCain-Palin Mob[/ame]

I sure hope its Palin / Coulter in 2012!

The democrat party has similarities to a Fascist party. The democrats led by Obama want to control our banks, our industry, our healthcare, our health, blame capitalism on all of our problems and they would like to suppress criticism of their party by implementing such things as the "fairness doctrine". The democrats of today believe there is a better economic system than Capitalism, and would like to replace it with another of their creation. They like labor unions even though it's a monopoly that extorts money from their members. In essence the democrat party owns the union because if it wasn't for them the unions would be weakened and wither away and Union bosses know it. These qualities are much closer to fascism than anything conservatives want.

Conservatives want less government (lower spending, less intrusion), lower taxes, free enterprise capitalism, believe businesses should be owned privately and not by the government, believe in personal responsibility, believe in protecting freedom vigorously, that exercising our freedom of religion is a right, not a weakness, believe in the constitution. Think that people should have the right to join or not join a union, not be forced. Talk radio is a demonstration of our freedom of speech, not a problem. Should protect our borders. Should not use race or gender as a reason for hiring or not hiring someone.

Just to name a few characteristics of Obama's party and conservatives Notice I didn't use the word "Republican" here.

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you just lost all credibility in your first sentance.

democrat[B][I][U]IC[/U][/I][/B] party not democrat party.

[quote=Manco;93740]The democrat party has similarities to a Fascist party. The democrats led by Obama want to control our banks, our industry, our healthcare, our health, blame capitalism on all of our problems and they would like to suppress criticism of their party by implementing such things as the "fairness doctrine". [/quote]


Yea, it was Obama that went after the banks/auto industry. I remember it like it was yesterday, Obama FORCING them to accept all kinds of money.

[quote=Manco;93740]
Conservatives want less government (lower spending, less intrusion), lower taxes, free enterprise capitalism, believe businesses should be owned privately and not by the government, believe in personal responsibility, believe in protecting freedom vigorously, that exercising our freedom of religion is a right, not a weakness, believe in the constitution. Think that people should have the right to join or not join a union, not be forced. Talk radio is a demonstration of our freedom of speech, not a problem. Should protect our borders. Should not use race or gender as a reason for hiring or not hiring someone.

[B]Notice I didn't use the word "Republican" here.[/B][/quote]

Exactly. I think many of us would like to see more [B][I]conservatives[/I][/B] and fewer [B][I]Republicans[/I][/B] around!

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