[quote=TX WJ;289191]Post 4 did not answer the question, the only reason that it would hurt any group is if they are voting illegally.

I am all for using a student ID as a id to vote, as long as they are tamper proof and have the persons legal status check to make sure that they are a legal voter, same with a DL, they should identify if you are a citizen, here in a student or work Visa.

Any study that says that this would effect democrats should then describe why it would, is it because people are voting illegally?[/quote]

Are you really that dense? Google "ari berman voter suppression".

[quote=CPT. Badmotherfarker;289192]Are you really that dense? Google "ari berman voter suppression".[/quote]

If it is so clear explain it.

Should we abolish all laws to identify ourselves?

Voting is one of our most precious rights we all have a right to make sure our vote counts and thus includes encouraging other legal voters to do so and keeping people from voting more than once or illegally. Why is that so hard for you to understand.

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[quote=TX WJ;289191]Post 4 did not answer the question, the only reason that it would hurt any group is if they are voting illegally.[/quote]

We've already established that's not the only reason. According to the data provided by the State of Texas, there are either 603,892 or 795,955 legally registered voters who don't have the IDs required by Texas law.

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[quote=TX WJ;289193]If it is so clear explain it.

Should we abolish all laws to identify ourselves?

Voting is one of our most precious rights we all have a right to make sure our vote counts and thus includes encouraging other legal voters to do so and keeping people from voting more than once or illegally. Why is that so hard for you to understand.[/quote]

[url=http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-war-on-voting-20110830]The GOP War on Voting | Politics News | Rolling Stone[/url]

If you're not understanding what this is saying, you are willfully ignoring the facts simply because it fit's your agenda. And you complain about the people on the left living with blinders on. Tisk tisk tisk TX WJ. Tisk tisk tisk.

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[quote=memebag;289194]We've already established that's not the only reason. According to the data provided by the State of Texas, there are either 603,892 or 795,955 legally registered voters who don't have the IDs required by Texas law.[/quote]

Then lets fix this, I would think that making sure that all citizens that have a right to vote can, and to make sure those votes count lets make sure that people aren't voting multiple times, felons, and illegals aren't voting.

It is a right given to all citizens lets protect that right.

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[quote=TX WJ;289207]Then lets fix this, I would think that making sure that all citizens that have a right to vote can, and to make sure those votes count lets make sure that people aren't voting multiple times, felons, and illegals aren't voting.

It is a right given to all citizens lets protect that right.[/quote]

Let's make sure that these are legitimate problems.

So far, I don't remember seeing actual statistics on these situations being problematic. It's been a pretty wild thread, so I may have missed something, but as best as I can remember, the statistics that have been shown represent a VERY low incident rate.

This still ignores the fact that these ID requirements are designed to keep a certain segment of the legal voting population away from the poles.

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[quote=TX WJ;289207]Then lets fix this, I would think that making sure that all citizens that have a right to vote can, and to make sure those votes count lets make sure that people aren't voting multiple times, felons, and illegals aren't voting.

It is a right given to all citizens lets protect that right.[/quote]

What would you "fix"? There's no evidence of significant numbers of the sort of fraud that the voter ID law would address. So to protect our right to vote, the best course is to repeal the voter ID law.

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[quote=memebag;289210]What would you "fix"? There's no evidence of significant numbers of the sort of fraud that the voter ID law would address. So to protect our right to vote, the best course is to repeal the voter ID law.[/quote]

Of the fraud that has been cited in the thread (IIRC) the larger instances have been more related to fraud perpetrated by candidates & officials. Not the same thing. We should be specific as to what/if things need to be fixed and how.

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[quote=memebag;289210]What would you "fix"? There's no evidence of significant numbers of the sort of fraud that the voter ID law would address. So to protect our right to vote, the best course is to repeal the voter ID law.[/quote]

We have a right to bear arms, but you still are required to show ID, have a background check and register the weapon to purchase it. Do all of these requirements take away our right? I don't think so and asking for ID is not limiting anyone's right to vote. You naively seem to think the Democrats are looking out for the voters by apposing any ID requirements and the Republicans are trying to deny the right to vote.

Also how can you have lot's of evidence of fraud if you aren't even looking for it or have any checks/balances to catch it? We do know there are millions of people here illegally that are technically not eligible to vote, yet we have no ways to really prevent them from voting or having others vote on their behalf.

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[quote=Manco;289216]We have a right to bear arms, but you still are required to show ID, have a background check and register the weapon to purchase it. Do all of these requirements take away our right? I don't think so and asking for ID is not limiting anyone's right to vote. You naively seem to think the Democrats are looking out for the voters by apposing any ID requirements and the Republicans are trying to deny the right to vote.[/quote]

Hardly. I know low income and minority voters are more likely to vote Democrat. But so what? Low income and minority votes should still count. Regardless of their motives, the Democrats are on the right side of this issue.

Turn it around. You must know that Republicans want to impose voter ID laws to gain power. If low income and minority voters were more likely to vote Republican, the roles would be reversed. You're naive if you really think this is about preventing fraud.

[quote=Manco;289216]Also how can you have lot's of evidence of fraud if you aren't even looking for it or have any checks/balances to catch it? We do know there are millions of people here illegally that are technically not eligible to vote, yet we have no ways to really prevent them from voting or having others vote on their behalf.[/quote]

But we are looking for it. Both parties field poll watchers. When they see anything hinky they protest it. Despite all of that, the Texas Republicans can't provide data to justify this law.

Don't fall for their lies. It's a blatant power grab.

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